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So what? I know what I've seen pre-tribbers say. Sorry I didn't save a copy of what they said. Do pre-tribbers think there will be world peace and safety just before Jesus returns? No, right? And I know that many pre-tribbers think Paul is talking about world peace and safety in 1 Thessalonians...

You're getting "the last days" confused with the day of the Lord. The last days lead up to the day of the Lord, as Peter indicated when quoting Joel 2:28-32 in Acts 2:16-21. Joel 2:2 says the day of the Lord is a day of darkness and gloominess. That would mean, if it was a time period, then that...

LOL. The second coming is in the future. Hello? It does not say that the judgment is far in the future after the second coming. As Jeff has pointed out to you, and as you have ignored, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 places the gathering of the church to Christ, the physical destruction (vengeance) of...

Of course. I think it would be silly for anyone to think that God won't start determining His judgements (eternal rewards and sentences) until Jesus returns. No, everything will already be determined when He comes and then everyone will have to stand before Him to give an account of themselves...

Exactly. Those things are all part of one event, but he tries to separate the judgment and removal of unbelievers from the presence of the Lord to 1,000+ years later. This future tense nonsense is ridiculous. It's all future tense. Yes, the judgment does happen after we are gathered to Christ...

Your understanding of Matthew 23:37-38 and Romans 11 matches what is taught in dispensationalism exactly. That should make you reconsider how you are interpreting those passages.

Spoken like a true dispensationalist. Why did you stop at verse 6? Would you agree that Zechariah 13 verse 7 is talking about the same "day" (time period) as those verses? Zechariah 13:7 “Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd, Against the Man who is My Companion,” Says the Lord of hosts. “Strike...

Read the verses prior to that. Jesus had just been talking to the unbelieving scribes and Pharisees in Jerusalem who He called "hypocrites" and a "brood of vipers". He was telling them that they will not see Him again until they say "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord". They will be...

Amen, Jeff! I like how that is worded in 1 Thessalonians 5:3. It says they will ABSOLUTELY not escape. Premils contradict that and say some unbelievers will somehow escape the sudden destruction that will occur when Jesus returns. No, they ABSOLUTELY will not.

So what? What is more important than God wanting all people, including all people in Israel, to be saved and have eternal life? Your perspective about God and His plans is completely off base. His purpose is to dwell with His people, which are those who belong to Christ, forever in the new...

There is nothing in Joel 2 about the day of the Lord being a period of time. What do you think, that Joel was talking about a long period of time of "of darkness and of gloominess" (Joel 2:2)? Is that your understanding of the thousand years, that it will be a time period "of darkness and of...

I've told you that I don't see that. I don't recall you showing where it says that. Can you show me EXACTLY where it indicates that the day of the Lord is a period of time? Be as specific as possible. I'm not seeing it. I think you may be confusing what Joel calls "the last days" with "the day...

Yes, we have talked about that before and we see that VERY differently. Scripture teaches unity amongst all believers in one body, so how could I possibly agree with you about this? You're contradicting many scriptures with your view. Peter said believers are looking for new heavens and a new...

I'm not isolating scripture and I'm also making it clear what I believe and how I interpret different passages. You, on the other hand, are seemingly unwilling to do the same for some reason. Please don't ask me ridiculous questions. Don't ask me why I think something Jesus promised is not...

What are you agreeing with exactly? I'm saying the heathen will be destroyed by Jesus when He returns, as Psalm 2:8-9 indicates. How can they be on the new earth if they have been destroyed? LOL. When did I say that? I said our home will be the new heavens and new earth. Are you actually...

What a silly question that doesn't even deserve a response. Why did you ask it? Nothing I said would indicate that I would answer "yes" to such a ridiculous question. You asked me in another post if I was reading what you're saying. I have to ask you the same.

That is not at all what that verse says. Peter indicated that the heavens will pass away and the earth will be burned up upon the arrival of the day of the Lord. That lines up with Paul saying in 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 that "sudden destruction" will occur upon the arrival of the day of the Lord...

Given to Him to be destroyed. How are you missing that part? Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy...

You should be able to answer a simple question about what you believe. Are you not interested in being clear about what you believe and why?

Where are you seeing a period of time mentioned anywhere in 2 Peter 3:10? Peter, like Paul in 1 Thess 5:2-3, spoke of mass destruction occurring upon the coming of the day of the Lord as a thief in the night. How does that suggest anything about a period of time?