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Notice how he can't even give me one example where I've made a strawman argument against pre-trib in the past. Pre-tribs have nothing of substance to offer, so all they can do is make false accusations about those who disagree with them.

Did you even read 1 Thessalonians 5? Apparently, context means absolutely nothing to you. Nowhere does Paul say anything there about what you're talking about. Instead, he talks about those who are in spiritual darkness and contrasts them with those who are "the children of light" who are...

I'm not denying that people have stress and tribulation in life, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 where Paul says they will be saying "peace and safety" in the time just before Jesus returns. If you read all of 1 Thessalonians 5 you should see that...

You just don't get it, Douggg. None of that matters. The temple of God, whether physical or spiritual, has always been a temple that God dwells in. He would not dwell in this imaginary temple that you're talking about, so your questions are pointless.

Except what I said is what at least some pre-tribbers believe. I don't know if you just didn't understand what I was saying or what, but it makes no sense for any pre-tribber to think that there will be world peace and safety up until the day Jesus returns when, at the same time, you believe...

They are completely desperate at this point, so they have resorted to relying on unreliable AI to support their doctrine. I guess they see ChatGPT as a replacement for the Holy Spirit. I just asked ChatGPT "Is there anything wrong with being homosexual?". It's answer: "From ethical, scientific...

Regardless of any of that, unbelievers will still be saying "peace and safety" right up until the day that Jesus comes as a thief in the night. So, what is your understanding of that? Do you agree with me that it relates to them feeling spiritually at peace and safe from God's wrath? Even people...

Scott, I think you're missing the point of this thread. I'm talking about the days before Jesus returns, not the actual day He returns. Luke 21:25-28 describes things that happen on the day He returns. Jesus said in Matthew 24:37-39 that the days before His return will be like the days of Noah...

Grow up already. You can't even answer a simple question. You accused me of making a straw man argument about pre-tribs. I'm not allowed to address that? It's a false accusation. If you would just answer that simple question, then we can determine if what I said applies to what you believe or...

LOL! I don't need to be reminded of anything by someone like you who has no understanding of the thousand years or the binding of Satan. I don't need to be lectured by someone like you who foolishly thinks that people will be resurrected when Jesus comes and then allowed to walk around on the...

I appreciate your kind words, but I have to correct you on one thing. When Paul refers to "darkness" in that thread he is referring to unbelievers being in spiritual darkness in contrast to believers being "children of the light". The word "darkness" has no relation to Jesus coming as a thief...

There is nothing wrong with me telling the truth about you being a liar. You made a false accusation about me supposedly making a strawman argument against pre-tribs, which I did not do. There are plenty of pre-tribs who don't believe there will be world peace and safety before Jesus returns...

You are a liar. My argument was not a straw man argument. Do you believe there will be world peace and safety just before Jesus returns? Why didn't you answer that question? If I'm making a straw man argument, then that would mean you and all other pre-tribs believe there will be world peace and...

There's no straw man argument here. Pre-tribs are the ones who are experts at making straw man arguments, just as you have done yourself many times. I don't care what you've heard anyone claim. I know what I've seen and heard pre-tribs claim. I'm not just making it up. Your little pre-trib...

So what? The point we're making is that it can't be "the temple of God" because the temple of God is one that God dwells in. Yet, for some reason, you are trying to relate some temple that would not be the temple of God to verses that refer to the temple of God. That makes no sense. So what? It...

No, it just means he can't be fully trusted. I think he knew Greek very well and was qualified to give the various definitions of the Greek words, but that does not mean he can be fully trusted to have known which definition of a word should be used in any given verse.

I don't understand the point of this question. Joseph Thayer was just one person. Does scripture say that things like this must be discerned by way of people like Joseph Thayer telling us what scripture means or by way of spiritual discernment from the Holy Spirit?

That would be nice. Instead, many Christians are comfortable with interpreting a verse or passage in such a way that contradicts other scripture verses or passages. Of course, they don't acknowledge that they are doing that. Instead, they twist the other verses or passages that they are...

You're not addressing the point. Paul calls it "the temple of God" and the temple of God is always a temple that God dwells in. You are talking about some "temple which is not God's temple", which is not what Paul referred to in 2 Thess 2:4. He specifically referred to "the temple of God" there...

How long have you been trying to reconcile your understanding of verses 30-31 with verse 34? Years? I'm sorry, but it can't be done. You should consider the alternative interpretations of verse 34 that you've been shown that don't contradict verses 30-31 because they have the second coming of...