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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    It says that because it is the day that Jesus returns. Some time on that future day that no one knows He will return unexpectedly as a thief in the night at an hour that no one knows. We know that scripture says He will come as a thief in the night, so that is what the day of the Lord is about...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    That's obviously not a reasonable claim. How many times do I have to tell you that what is described in Zechariah 14 does not line up with what is described in NT passages like 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 that clearly relate to the DOTL? So, what do you do...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    Isaiah 26:14 is not saying that the wicked dead will never be bodily resurrected. That would contradict Daniel 12:2, John 5:28-29 and Acts 26:15. That verse is talking about those particular wicked dead never rising to power again.
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    Of course people on the other side of the planet would not be able to see that, Douggg. Obviously, people on the other side of the planet can't see what you can see in the sky right now, right? But, of course, I don't believe that Jesus will descend to the Mount of Olives, as I've told you many...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    The last day is the same in all those verses. It's the last day of this temporal age. The last day of time as we know it before eternity is ushered in.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Doctrine of successive resurrections

    By "there", I assume you mean "nowhere".
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    Love you, too, brother. None of this is personal, of course. I'm still praying for your son. That's of much more importance than this particular discussion. But, this discussion is important, so there will be some PASSION going on here, right? You bet. Scripture says that His resurrection...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    Let me be clear. You are NEVER as clear as you think you are. Is anyone claiming that? No. So, why are you saying that? You say that based on an assumption that it should all be taken literally. Why would you not allow for the possibility that Zechariah 14 contains figurative text, knowing...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    I missed nothing. Christ Himself is the firstfruit. That is what Paul said. You are trying to make those who He is the firstfruit of part of the first resurrection, but that is not what Paul said. That contradicts Paul saying that there is an order to the resurrections. If Christ's resurrection...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    Paul referred to Christ Himself as being the firstfruit and that is because He was the first to rise from the dead unto bodily immortality. Next in order to be bodily resurrected from the dead, according to Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23, are those who belong to Him at His second coming So, your...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    Of course you don't. I don't get the sense that you are making much effort, if any, to see our point about that. Those glories don't refer to Christ's future glory, they refer to the glories of the inexpressible and glorious joy of the saving of people's souls. 1 Peter 1:8 Though you have not...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    When it comes to "THE day of the Lord", there is only one. Since Zechariah 14 clearly does not line up with other scriptures that undeniably refer to the day of the Lord, such as 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12, we can safely assume that Zechariah 14 is not referring to THE day of the...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    Yes, I know you are saying that and I disagree. It seems that you don't know what I'm saying. I am saying that His second coming itself is not referenced AT ALL in the OT, whether plainly or implicitly. Otherwise, what He said Himself would not be true. Luke 24:44 Then He said to them, “These...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    Absolutely right. It's unfortunate that the KJV translates Zechariah 14:1 the way it does, but no one should only ever look at one translation. There are no perfect English translations. So, we should look at multiple translations as well as look at the original Hebrew and Greek words to get an...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    You constantly miss the point. Any prophecy you can find that tells of something happening in the future from the time it was written only prophesies about one future fulfillment. Never more than one. That's the point. Address the point for once. You absolutely are. The idea of Him returning...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    It's shown as plural in English translations, but I don't think that is the right translation of the Greek word because it's only referring to Christ Himself as being the firstfruit(s) of them that slept. Again, Paul called Jesus Himself the firstfruits or firstfruit (of them that slept). The...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    Well said. Regarding your last statement, that is absolutely true. Any honest person would admit that it's difficult to interpret Zechariah 14 because it is difficult to reconcile some of it with other scripture, especially if taken literally in relation to a supposed time after Christ returns...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    Even though Davidpt can't comprehend what you are saying because of having his foggy Premil glasses on, I see your point and agree with it. There is no prophecy in the Old Testament which specifically references the second coming of Christ. That's why He said all the things concerning Him...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    The second coming of Christ itself is never specifically referenced in the Old Testament anywhere. That is why Jesus said this... Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    Most Amils do not even see that as talking about a literal gathering around Israel, but rather as a symbolic reference to all of those who oppose the church around the world. How do you interpret the following passage? 2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord...