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I get the gist of what you are saying however even though Paul more than likely did write other letters they were not necessarily God breathed which means they would not be included in the Bible or considered Scripture. My two cents worth....Mary

You said baptism of the spirit is the most important. That is not true and is not on task.

I am pushing Scripture: baptism now saves you. You believe opposite of what Scripture says :(

LOL....You are trolling my conversation with other members and interjecting your comments and you accuse me of trying to confuse the issue??? o_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O Wouldn't YOUR interjection into an ongoing conversation "confuse the issue"??? Scripture makes it clear on MULTIPLE occasions that...

You should take the time to read Scripture; Matthew 3:11 and 16, John 3:5, Acts 1:5, Acts 2:38, Acts 19 etc

Thank you FHII. You articulated his point very well and I understand what you/he are saying here. I appreciate the time you took to clarify. If you/he look at the original post and keep in context what is being discussed here we are clearly talking about WATER BAPTISM. To him to throw into...

I don't understand.....especially considering he never backed up what he believes by providing passages from Scripture ;) Which is common with him....o_O

Yes, this is the list from Scripture that says water baptism is necessary for salvation. Is Scripture not enough for you? Mary

I now see what you are saying. You ONCE AGAIN failed to recognize the word WHEN.... The fact is that there is only ONE baptism. The effect of that baptism is receiving the Holy Spirit. Getting baptized is an action. Receive the Holy Spirit is the gift (effect) of that action. You have to...

What is the fire in Matthew 3:11? I haven't won this discussion since you still hold fast to your false beliefs. I will have only won when you stop!

Got it....you have ZERO passages from Scripture to back up your opinion. Thank you for your time....I am sorry I wasted mine. :(

Nope....not two baptisms. You failed to recognize the word "when" in that sentence!!! I also wrote: "The effect of baptism is that we receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." They are one in the same. Just like God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one in the same. You can't have one without the...

Really??? Would you care to share those passages about water and baptism in Scripture that have "other connotations"? Or in those other "connotations" are you referring to "the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters." (water and Spirit) OR how the ark went through the water and a dove...

I agree with you. They do not speak to water baptism at all. My point was I thought we were discussing baptism. I did not understand why you didn't quote passages about water baptism and you only referenced passages that don't mention water. But I digress.....you have already clarified your...

Thank you. To answer your question our baptism is a baptism into the Holy Spirit when one is baptized with water: John 3:5, Acts 8:36, various 1st century Christian writings also According to Scripture before one is baptized one must first receive His word, believe that word and repent. That...

That is a good question. Now that I think about it I guess we would have to agree on the definition of the word "Baptism" before I could properly answer you. Maybe you and I have a different definition? The way I am using the word in our discussion: Baptism is the sacrament of regeneration...

No. Here is what I asked: Do you believe the Ephesians and Romans passages that you referenced refer to water baptism?

Thank you. Scripture makes it clear that Jesus, the Apostles and the NT Christians practiced/preached water baptism. Jesus told his Apostles to baptize. Jesus was our example to follow. He set the example and he taught to baptize with water. The Apostles were our example and teachers. They...

Only The Church can pronounce anyone a false teacher: Matthew 18:17 Mary

Thank you. In Matthew 3 John taught THEN he baptized. Two different events that do not support your baptism by teaching only. Matthew 28 says teach and THEN baptize. Two different events that do not support your baptism by teaching only. Acts 11 refers how when he "began to speak" the Holy...