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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Revelation 14:14-17 is a symbolic portrayal of the rapture of the church. Revelation 14:18-20 describes God's wrath and judgment. Do you not differentiate between Revelation 14:14-17 and Revelation 14:18-20?
  2. Spiritual Israelite

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    There is no such thing as "the Gentile bride". The bride of Christ consists of both Jew and Gentile believers. You are continually making things up not taught anywhere in scripture. You have no shame. There is no such thing as "the Gentile Church". Both Jew and Gentile believers are in the...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

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    You understand nothing and keep proving that over and over again. LOL. Your doctrine is based on things you conjure up in your imagination and nothing more. You hear it all the time because it's true. You think you are the only person on the planet who understand the truth about these things...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

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    No, that's not true. Nowhere in verse 2 does it say that only the people of Daniel are resurrected. Verse 1 talks about Daniel's people being delivered. That's talking about saved Israelites, but the resurrection also includes the unsaved and it includes all of the dead saved people. We know...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

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    LOL! Tell me how the elect are going to be gathered from the atmosphere. Will it only be believers who are flying in airplanes and helicopters at the time that will be gathered from the uttermost part of earth? LOL!
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    No, the word rapture applies to us being caught up to meet the Lord in the air. The word "rapture" comes from the Latin word "raptus," which also means "caught up" or "carried away". The changing of our bodies from corruptible to incorruptible, which is something God does when Jesus comes at the...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

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    Was my question too hard? You didn't answer it. Let's try again. So, do you believe that the following occurs at the 6th seal? Yes or no? 2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Ai's analysis on "the great and dreadful day of the LORD" - your thoughts?

    There's no excuse for your stubbornness. Jesus clearly has not yet returned or else we would be with Him now and see Him as He is now and have an immortal, glorified body like He has now. You've been shown the truth, so you have no excuse for rejecting it. Keep thinking about it and stop...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

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    Agree. The argument that Daniel 12:2 can't be referring to all of the dead being resurrected at the same time just because it says many (or multitudes) are resurrected at that time is one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever seen. As you pointed out the Hebrew word "rab" refers to a large...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

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    Yes, such as the ones you believe in. Two raptures? LOL. No one claims that. Why do you do nothing but make things up? There is silence in heaven because no one is there. Jesus, His angels and the souls of the dead in Christ will have left heaven at that point. The angels gather the church and...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Ai's analysis on "the great and dreadful day of the LORD" - your thoughts?

    The manner in which He left was visibly and bodily. They literally saw Him ascend bodily towards heaven. He has not yet descended bodily and visibly from heaven. You are deceived by the false doctrine of full preterism. It's heresy to not believe in the future glorious visible and bodily...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

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    That is not a chronological sequence of events being described there. That is a description of the souls of the dead in Christ in heaven. It sometimes seems like maybe you believe in soul sleep because every time you see a description of believers in Revelation who are not on the earth you...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

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    So, do you believe that the following occurs at the 6th seal? 2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Will Christ utter new words in a Premil millennium?

    This is a good point, in my opinion. Even if Satan and his angels weren't around, people are still capable of deceiving others or even themselves. So, the idea of no deception at all on the earth during the supposed future thousand years makes no sense.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

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    LOL. Nowhere does it say that we are taken to heaven after we are gathered to meet the Lord and nowhere does it say that the marriage supper takes place in heaven. In Revelation 19 we see a description of the bride being ready for the marriage supper, but it has not yet taken place at that point...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

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    LOL. The words "many" or "multitudes" can describe all of something. Show me a definition from any dictionary you can find that defines "many" or "multitudes" as "not all". Good luck. If I say that there are many or multitudes of people in the world does that mean I'm not referring to all of...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

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    How do you reconcile 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 with your doctrine? Like 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:3, Paul teaches there that Jesus will come once and deliver His wrath upon all of His enemies while gathering His people to Himself. How do you get two separate events from that? Your doctrine blatantly...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

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    Some make things up in their imagination (looking at you). Scripture says that Christ's wrath will come on the day of His second coming (Matthew 24:35-39, 1 Thess 4:14-5:3, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12, Rev 14:14-20, Rev 19:11-21). Scripture says that He is coming a second time, not a third...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The "watch rapture view"

    Did you miss where I told you to look in the mirror, hypocrite? I have no reason to listen to you about this when you do the exact same things you are complaining about on a regular basis. LOL. Tell me what I'm not comprehending about what you said here: Should I assume you didn't actually mean...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The "watch rapture view"

    LOL. This is an incredibly weak argument. Luke was paraphrasing what Jesus said for his Gentile audience. Matthew and Mark recorded what Jesus actually said. So, there is no requirement that it should say "the holy city" instead of Jerusalem. You go out of your way to dream up nonsense like this...