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You know there is such thing as spiritual redemption and that the first Christians were called "a kind of firstfruits" (James 1:18) and their souls are in heaven now and that God's throne is in heaven, don't you? Nonsense. Where does scripture ever say that we will escape temptation and...

Of all the different doctrines that Christians believe (not just end times, but any doctrines), pretrib is easily the weakest, in my opinion. I can't take it seriously at all as a legitimate doctrine to debate against. It's utter foolishness.

LOL. I'm sure he is devastated about this. You say you're not here to play his games. Maybe so. But, you're definitely here to play your own games.

I suggest you start fearing the Lord then because you are very lacking in wisdom. Did you know that you can ask Him for wisdom and He will give it to you if you don't doubt (James 1:5-7)? Please do that.

He does nothing but make things up. I can't take him seriously even a tiny bit.

Where did you give any indication here that you believed there is a Mount Zion in heaven? Nowhere that I can see. The 144,000 firstfruits are not on the earth. They are before the throne and that is in heaven. Where do you come up with this stuff? You act like it is, so it might as well be. I...

You claim to already be in a spiritual body? That's nonsense. Where do you come up with this foolishness? We have been quickened spiritually, not bodily. Paul indicated that our natural bodies that we have now will be changed to be spiritual, glorious, powerful, incorruptible and immortal when...

To act like he addressed all of the questions when barely addressing even one is a blatant lie and he won't admit it. Now, he's lying about knowing there is a heavenly Mount Zion after previously denying that there is one. It's amazing that people are willing to blatantly lie and twist scripture...

LOL. He is seeing things in heaven, including the throne of God. Where is that? In heaven. Hello? You said that there is no Mount Zion in heaven and I showed you otherwise in Hebrews 12. Are you too proud to admit you were wrong or can you admit that Hebrews 12:22 refers to a heavenly Mount...

No one on this entire forum is more carnal than you, so get out of here with your nonsense. Do you even know what this thread is about? Apparently not since you won't address the topic of the thread. It's not about whether the rapture is pre-trib or post-trib.

You are saying you think you are literally bodily dead? How are you talking to me then? How are you using your fingers to type if your body is dead? How are you using your eyes to look at your screen if your body is dead? No, it's not talking about our bodies being literally crucified and dead...

LOL. You have no discernment whatsoever. They are in heaven after having been redeemed from the earth. Mount Zion IS in heaven. Have you never read this... Hebrews 12:18 You have not come to a mountain that can be touched and that is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom and storm; 19 to a...

Stop wasting everyone's time with things that don't relate to the topic of the thread and address what I wrote in the second post of this thread. Why do you not want to address the topic of the thread? You are proving that what I said is true. Premil is not based on clear, straightforward...

You've been preaching for 40 years and you seem to teach nothing but false doctrine. Soul sleep is not taught in scripture. The rich man and the beggar Lazarus that Jesus talked about in Luke 16:19-31 were physically dead, but still conscious and not sleeping. The souls of dead believers that...

Those left behind will be killed and it will be too late for them to repent. That is what Jesus taught. Please read this. Luke 17:26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to...

You lied about addressing his questions. You did not. That was a blatant lie. So, look in the mirror.

Scripture never teaches two separate future raptures/harvests, so just give it up already. Why would the NT be silent about it if it was taught in the OT? Do you think Paul wasn't aware of what the Old Testament taught? He wrote about the rapture and only wrote about one rapture. Why would he...

So, do you agree with him that the 6th seal and 4th trumpet are the same? You think that's something a smart man believes? You pre-tribs run away whenever your weak doctrine gets destroyed. Your incoherent arguments don't work at all with those who have discernment. Pre-trib doesn't hold up to...

Exactly! What John was seeing were the souls of all believers in heaven who had been spiritually redeemed by the blood of Christ up to that point in time, which is why they are referred to as the firstfruits. Like you said, he's trying to turn them into the lastfruits instead. Pre-tribs are...

Can you believe how some people here just blatantly lie on a regular basis? It's unbelievable. He acted like he addressed all of your questions when anyone who has been following the thread knows he did not.