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This is what happens when a person doesn't understand the gospel. The blood/life of Jesus is a gift given so that we can walk as He walked. Just because you don't believe that or you have not experienced that...doesn't mean that others haven't. Not everyone will be saved. Not everyone will...

We do both...we are chosen in order to choose....and we choose in order to be chosen' It takes 2 to tango, as they say. God is looking for fellowship with us. He isn't just a sovereign God and distant. He is near to us so we can go to Him...and He to us. Draw near to Me and I will draw near...

Mat. 8:11 "I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven; Talk about the kingdom table...and this is about people from all nations...GENTILES!

Try asking the question then (I don't know which question anymore)' God indeed changes His mind...but never His ways. And the goal is always the same. A people who resemble Christ in love, humility, honour, and grace.

You are not realizing that my statement makes your question moot. You have to learn to ask the right questions. Truth doesn't work by trying to fit it into a box you have mistakenly label as "truth."

I'm here because of ultimate reality...as in the title of the thread. If you don't want to catch any mice....don't put out the cheese.

You are the one making the errant link between ways....and purpose.

Oh please....you're adding in your ideas again. Did you realize that "ways" as in God's ways...are plural. You have it singular. So then your ideas are like a one track mind with some derailed notions....but not God's.

Impressive! Sounds like an excerpt from "guys and dolls" or something. You use future tense in one sentence. (why not say....soon the moon will fluoresce... I know everybody is a critic) And why the "He" in the story. And why does the doll break? It could be the wind...as in God smashing an...

Not changes his mind...He is a great sculptor. His ways are above our own boxy ways. He is an artist. :) If you really want to be a witness to the truth...drop the human understanding. ....and just gaze in awe at the wonder of God!

Just to be here. I am like a virtual forum dweller....checking out the threads.

Both! At different times and in different ways to different people on different levels. SOLI DIFFERENTI

Do you see any prejudice here on a Christian forum?....no wait....good idea!

So you have the good people going to an eternal torment? Because God hates good people. But He loves the world...so then He must love bad people. So then bad people reign with Christ and good people go to hell in your opinion. Maybe you mean "nice" people. People who do good works are...

I think it's obvious that he has read at least one bible verse....Hebrews 13:8 perhaps?

Many are called but few are chosen...and fewer still are deemed faithful. That's because we retain free will.

Thanks teacher! I corrected the problem. It actually reduces my word count by one. Such efficiency! ;)

IOW....check it out! ;)

Sure...just forget the box you came packaged in...and stop judging others...and you'll do just fine! ;)

Amen. As we judge so we will be judged. As we forgive, so we will be forgiven. How we ought then to be easy on others...but be hard on ourselves.