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This puts us under law and not under grace. and if you are saying this is what we must do to be born again. No one will be born again. Jesus fulfilled the law. Because we could not. Then he suffered the curse of the law we all deserve. so we could be set free from the curse of the law. He does...

The fact is, If you say a person is not saved UNTIL they are water baptism. Your preaching salvation by works. there is no getting around that fact.

I can see why people get so frustrated talking to you. I have explained what imperishable seed is many times, In this very conversation the last few days. Just like I have explained what new birth is many times, and you keep saying I do not.. You continue to bear false witness against me...

Your very words are fatalistic. You may never have heard of him. But you follow his teaching. And i can not and I will not support it.

Well Nicodemus asked how that could be. And Jesus answered him. I know Nicodemus believed. Will you? Actually I am stuck on the example Christ gave, and the fulfillment of that example he gave. And the example of the taxman vs the pharisee. That is scripture.. You keep saying its not...

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind...

Yes I understand But I DO NOT STOP THERE. Because JESUS DID NOT STOP THERE. Nicodemus asked. HOW CAN THESE THINGS BE.. Then Jesus gave the answer of how those things (the things you just posted) come to be. But you wont read it.. The fact you can not answer me how you called out to God in...

then as I said in my question. How did you know god. Know of your need of a savior and know of Christ. So you did what Jesus told nicodemus to do and looked to the cross? about what it means to call out to God to be saved Nor do your posts make any sense.

I am unclear on why you are Confused. You stated you never saw a bible before you were born again correct? (Do I need to get the quote again? Really? Are you joking? Non of what you said happened, Until you received Gods gift. By receiving it in faith. I am not questioning your faith. I am...

SMH, You said you were born again having never read the bible.. If anyone is confused here Yes he did Like moses lifted the serpent. so to must the son of man be lifted up Yes. Thats your opinion Yes. And we are baptized in the spirit when we call out to him to be saved. it is a process...

what are you trying to say? Are just mocking everyone or do you have something to add?

see above. If you did not read the bible. how did you know about your death, Your situation. Gods answer to your situation. or the death of Christ which paid for your situation to be resolved in his blood. How? I told you how. Through the word. and my sunday school teachers. May parents and...

How can you call out to a God you did not believe? So all this happened in a split second? No. God is a just God. he must go according to his justice. if he could just over rule his justice to save people. then Christ came for nothing.

Thats impossible. You can not call out to the lord to be saved if you do not believe in him. He who believes is not condemned, He who believes is condemned already You can not be born again while still in unbelief., How could you believe at the same time if you did not even know who Jesus was...

You were born again AFTER you heard the word and trusted. You do. when you say you were regenerated BEFORE you had faith I never said I did. I am just preaching what Jesus said, I have every right to share with someone I see in trouble You were not born again UNTIL you called out to the name...

Ok Ok.. I give.. Yummy!!!!!

You need to stop falsly accusing me. I am not telling people how to do anything, I am posting the words of Jesus Your have the process backwards. You were not born again before you had faith.. God did not make you alive while still under the penalty of sin. That would Make God not a...

this thread is making me hungry!!

Now you have me confused. I say we are born again because we believe You say God brings us to belief. You say i am wrong. But then you say you have been saying this all along. Were you born again because you repented and believed or not?

Its the work of God we believe. No one can boast because they got on their knees and called out to God in humility.