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This is a silly notion that has been adopted by Messianic groups....to prop up the flesh. We are seeing a lot of flesh being propped up these days...at the expense of truth. The is ONE Bride....Israel. The Israel of God. All who overcome are of Israel. So then the Bride is for overcomers. We...

...until we learn to be mature in the love that God presents to us.

"BobRyan, post: 440138, member: 7908"]No he didn't -- we still have a sinful nature even after the cross. Don't confuse nature with law. If we still had a sin nature then we would not feel horrible after sinning...since it would be in our nature to sin. But that is not the state of a converted...

"Enoch111, post: 440043, member: 7853"]With all due respect, I believe episkopos is rather confused about basics such as grace, imputed righteousness, and sinless perfection in this life. Grace: the power of God usward who believe. imputed righteousness: no such thing. A false doctrine based...

Picture a road...with 2 ditches....one on either side of the road. At the end of the road picture a target. Transgression is the sins of the flesh...the normal sins of rebellion for non-believers. To the right there is iniquity....like the sins of the Pharisees...religious sins of pride and lies...

How is it false?

seriously!?

Needs practice....and maybe some more instruction.

So try it....try actually doing what the bible instructs us to do.

Respond with grace...remember?!?

Col 4:6 Let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person. IOW not hating or threatening people.

If we are born again we have new divine natures. But we also have a law in our members which compels us in a direction we don't want to go in. The only way to overcome the law of sin is with a greater law....the law of life in Christ Jesus. His life ON us is stronger than the power of sin in...

it is easy to judge as you do...but get your bible out... I have shown from the bible the mercy of God...which you have not known.

Your prejudices deceive you if you think you understand grace so much...when I have not seen you ever employ it on this forum. You are obsessed with your own sense of righteousness and exhibit no love. So then read back your own words....and ask others what they think. A person that claims...

prove it....Prove that you are not just religiously indoctrinated....use the bible.

The second one is biblical. The other I think you are trying to make a weak argument??

Actually a full surrender can be a fleeting thing. As soon as our lives improve we tend to get distracted in the world again. After all, a living sacrifice tends to wiggle off the altar.

"1stCenturyLady, post: 439987, member: 7883"]I see justification and sanctification as at the same time. People believe that sanctification is a process. I don't. I see it always referred to in the past tense. It is both an event AND a process. One is a gift from God...a gift of purity. And...

I am speaking far beyond what you have been indoctrinated into believing here... There is eternal life...now. And then there is the judgment of the world at the end of this age. Did you know that there is a difference?..because you are treating everything the same. So then only in Christ do we...

OUR righteousness is as filthy rags...it is imperfect and very lacking. But is the righteousness of God ALSO filthy rags? Many believers think so. But the righteousness of God has no sin whatsoever. Under the shadow of His wings we are made perfectly clean.