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Another strawman is that...loving others and not judging them... is universalism. That's like saying anybody who is not a Republican is a commie or gay. IOW....very partisan...and carnal. God so loved the world...not hated the world as so many "believers". Who is going to be a witness of God's...

You must make a distinction between what happens one day....and what is eternal. You are not differentiating these. The strawman is that YOU can decide what eternal is.

The bible stresses warnings to keep the works up till the end. This is life a war and a test...but many as you do see it as more of a retirement time. But God will judge. Are we on a war footing....or are we at ease? We have access to eternal life....but that is a KIND of life found in Jesus...

Don't get me started on eternal security. That is a strawman.... The only eternal security we have is the eternal we walk in when we abide in Christ. it is the miraculous life we can walk in that shows us that eternal life is real for us.

I trust in God's love and His calling. I don't need a position...as i see HIS position is love. But you raise up a good point. And the words condition and position do go along nicely together. My formula of "calling" ( by faith) and "faithfulness" to that calling...doesn't sound as good...

That sounds like someone I know...I mean how many impossible to talk to people are there...oops...never mind. :oops:

Jesus created us....and the world. Heb. 3;3 For this man (Christ Jesus) was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath built the house hath more honour than the house. 4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God. So then who created...

Agreed. We need to come at it from the other side...not believing in something until we are convinced by the Lord. Even then....there is much more to be learned. Learning to ask the right questions and Who to ask them to. So then we are to seek for that encounter and be shown what is the...

Then you don't understand the Body either. We are members one of another. WE are of the same essence. We are all human. From the human family of beings. The Father and the Son are divine. From the family of God beings...Elohim...plural.

We are to seek God's face AFTER we have been regenerated by the Spirit. That's WHY we are quickened in the first place. But most people go half-baked into the world thinking they are saved for all eternity. It's like the 10 lepers who were healed...yet only one returned to Jesus. Jesus...

Sins that are past...not perpetual forgiveness. Gal. 2:17 "But if, while seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have also been found sinners, is Christ then a minister of sin? May it never be! The problem with your multiple definitions is that you can glide in and out of the...

Again you are not getting the Old man being dead. If he isn't dead we cannot be joined to Christ. A woman cannot have 2 husbands. Neither can we have 2 natures. If we divorce ourselves from Christ to take on the old nature again....we cannot come back to Christ...unless He offer Himself up again.

"They may be one...that's us ....as we are one...that's them. So then your argument contradicts itself.

OK Got it...thanks! ;)

How about this... Jesus is the Head of Israel...and we are the Body of Israel.

What about...WIJD What is Jesus doing? Or just...WWOD...What would Oprah do?

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That was Apak saying that....my writing is in the blue.

And this works for the Bride as well. Oneness. We are also called out of Egypt....the world as His Ecclesia.

So then we agree on the outcome. In your view Jesus has been elevated to divine status...as in become a god...like the Greeks thought an Olympic athlete could...? But Jesus created us....He has more honour than Moses just as the builder of the house has more honour than the house itself. You...