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You are speaking of a situation where the person obeys his conscience! But people of other religions do as much or more. So this is not a good explanation of grace. What if the Christian does not go back....and say...the Hindu does? What does that say about the Christian and about grace? Who...

It is precisely idolatry and other iniquities that stops one from an entire obedience! What disobedience did Abraham do when he sacrificed his only son Isaac? Was it idolatry to obey God.

Everything with God is at 100%. "You will find Me when you seek for Me with 89% of your heart?" Of course not! So if we never ding the bell at 100% then everything we build with is imperfect. So Jesus can truly say...I never knew you!

between the 2 extremes as you say is the bearing of bad fruit...good intentions notwithstanding. Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my...

Please don't get started on dispensationalism! ;)

You don't have to! Get a bible and a concordance...e-sword is available online. Now check out the meanings... and doubt no more!

What does the bible say? No need of opinion! ;) To suffer loss in the Greek is the same meaning as to be cut-off... as in...what good is it to gain the whole world when your soul is cut-off... (lose your soul)

So then if the fruit is burned up that means that the person has no fruit. So what does Jesus do with those who bear no fruit? They suffer loss...the loss of all things. They will dwell in darkness and wander the earth forever.

...and whose wife will she be in the resurrection....?

Yes...but bad fruit which burns up is not the fruit that God is after. Are you saying God accepts good and bad fruit but bad fruit just isn't rewarded as much?

From a "positional platform" we dive into a pool without water. The higher the dive the more we get mangled.

Loss doesn't mean less of a reward! Loss means being cut-off! Mat_13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

Here you are confusing the works of the law...circumcision, sabbath keeping, kosher eating...with acts of righteousness like loving our enemies etc... This error has caused your understanding to have no reality.

Completely wrong!!!! The very opposite is true. The primary reason Christians today are living such unhappy, such empty, such weak and fruitless lives, is BECAUSE they are “not consecrated,” “not surrendered, “not self-denying,” ”not obedient. The OP comes from the devil who would stop any...

i mainly agree with you!! LOL

[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] I am agreeing with almost everything you said, except perhaps this part, highlighted above. I know people and I myself have experienced things that are not found in the Bible. It's difficult for some people to admit God can break His own laws of nature, which of course...

Something is very wrong? What? Where? Who ? Why? The speculative agnostic statement that suggests "something" is wrong is the intellectual equivalent of a dog chasing it's own tail.

Lost Vegas? Now that's a gamble!! ;)

Or...we worship God In Christ through the Spirit!

This is so reasonable and wise brother! Reps to you!!! :) You have said many things that go seemingly unnoticed on the forums. People take a doctrinal position...or foxhole as you have said...and shoot at anyone who pokes their heads up with scripture guns! Mostly this is true. But there is...