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Your reading comprehension skills have failed you yet again. I was not talking about Daniel 9:27. You were talking about when the Messiah is cut off in relation to the first 69 weeks and saying He was cut off at the end of the 69th week. No, it says He would be cut off AFTER the end of the 69th...

So, I guess context means nothing to you. Doesn't matter to you if He was talking about going to heaven bodily or not.

I completely disagree as I've already indicated multiple times. The "us" would include John himself and those he was writing to which were Jew and Gentile believers in seven churches that existed in the province of Asia at that time.

Nope. Not bodily. That's not taught in scripture anywhere. Look at the text more carefully. Jesus was talking about a global event that would affect "all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.". How can you think it's only the Jews who would see global things coming to pass? You are...

You are as carnal minded as they come, so it makes sense that only you can understand what you're saying.

You have horrible reading comprehension skills like many here. I didn't say that at all. I'm not a Premill like you, so I don't see that as describing a time after His return. You are in way over your head in these discussions. You have no discernment whatsoever.

Haha. Okay, I feel better now.

I don't expect someone as carnal as you to understand spiritual things.

You are being dishonest about what the scripture says. It does not say that the Messiah is cut off at the end of the 69th week. It says He is cut off some time AFTER the 69th week, which places His death within the 70th week. You will need to answer to God some day for why you chose to...

@claninja You liked this post? Seriously? Taken, I was, of course, calling your interpretations of scripture garbage and not scripture itself. You knew that, but act otherwise. Why are you acting as if I should have already known that you have a different view of what the mortals on the earth...

And what you say proves nothing. So, let's stop wasting time proving nothing to each other.

Agree completely. They try to create a third group of people that is unknown to scripture. Jesus said "He who is not with me is against me" (Matthew 12:30). That's two groups. He said nothing about an imaginary third group that includes believers who are not saved. You either believe and are...

LOL. You complain about me and you say rude things like this. You are such a hypocrite. You seem to have a problem with spiritual things which is very troubling. I have said that I believe things like significantly increased persecution, apostasy, deception and wickedness are things that would...

Good to know. I know you were responding to me here but you didn't quote what I said. Do you know how to reply specifically to a post? You can just click the Reply button in the lower right on any post and then it will quote what the person said and you can then reply. That way people can see...

You are beyond a hoot. Your nonsense is something that is just truly unbelievable. You have people on earth in the presence of Christ in all His glory and you say they are just believers, but don't confess their belief in Jesus. LOL. As if seeing Him in all His glory is just not quite enough to...

He's no better than the blind scribes and Pharisees who rejected Jesus and that Jesus said were going to hell? Matthew 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 Ye serpents, ye...

Maybe I'm being too technical here, but eternal life is in the new heavens and new earth, not in heaven. Heaven will be dissolved and made new (2 Peter 3:10-13). To me, being made perfect involves being made wholly perfect including body, soul and spirit. But, we can agree to disagree on this...

Where is that indicated in 1 Thess 5:2-3 or 2 Peter 3:10-12? Where do either 2 Peter 3:10-12 or 1 Thess 5:2-3 indicate that total destruction does not occur upon the arrival of the day of the Lord as a thief in the night?

Believers, but not saved? What does that mean? They obey Christ but are not saved? Sorry, I don't have any interest in wasting any more time on this nonsense. Like many here, you have a doctrine all to yourself.

LOL. You speak in riddles. The passages I talked about talk about people either inheriting eternal life or being condemned and cast into the fire. Why would the resurrected dead who are either resurrected to eternal life or to condemnation be included in that? So, instead of saying all this...