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Agree. I personally think that Hebrews 11:39-40 is talking about the day Jesus comes again when we will be made perfect in the sense of being changed and putting on bodily immortality at that time. We will be changed and put on immortality and made perfect at the same time as the OT saints when...

I mean, tribulation can be wrath, but in terms of what the tribulation represents when we talk about pre-trib and post-trib, it does not mean wrath. I know that you know this, but I'm just clarifying things for whoever else might be reading our discussion. So, anyway, why don't you understand...

The destruction that occurs upon the arrival of the day of the Lord as a thief in the night is described by Paul as being "sudden". sudden (adjective): occurring or done quickly and unexpectedly or without warning. You turn a sudden destruction event, which is one that happens quickly and...

Why did you say "Christ Jesus’ millennial reign has a Mix of Glorified men and Natural human men."? You say His millennial reign is over a mix that includes "natural human men" who are not even in His kingdom? How does that make sense exactly? Where is any of this even hinted at in 1 Thess...

I make fun of nonsense because that is what it deserves. As if you haven't done that many times yourself? You know you have. Stop being a hypocrite. If you're going to try to teach things that are clearly not taught in scripture, it deserves to be mocked. See, you're just speaking complete...

@Korben Dallas Here is what I'm talking about. Because Keraz thinks Zechariah 5 is literal and not symbolic it results in him thinking that Zechariah saw a nuclear missile instead of a symbolic flying scroll. So, how can you think it doesn't matter if something is seen as being symbolic or...

I disagree. In some cases it makes a difference whether something is symbolic or literal. For example, there is someone claiming that in Zechariah 5 it describes the barrel of a nuclear missile because his translation has it referring to a barrel while every other translation has it referring to...

Both. Peter describes the destruction of the heavens, elements and the earth in 2 Peter 3:10-12, right? Paul describes the destruction of those who are in spiritual darkness in 1 Thess 5:2-4. It makes sense that if the earth is destroyed by fire that would include those who are in spiritual...

I'm surprised you are asking this. Do you not see what happened at Pentecost as being unprecedented? You think the Holy Spirit was poured out and came to dwell in people before that? I don't believe that the OT saints were regenerated in the same way that believers have been since the day of...

I assume you're talking about the new heavens and new earth here. Do you believe that any natural human men are in His kingdom during that time? Where do either Peter or Paul indicate that the destruction they describe occurs over a 7 year period of time or over any period of time involving...

Thanks for sharing. I hope you are not a full preterist? Do you believe that Jesus will return bodily from heaven one day?

That's been said for a long time already as the Holy Spirit has come to dwell in people who then know the Lord intimately because of Him dwelling in them and communing with them spiritually while teaching them who He is and what the scriptures teach about Him and what He expects from us. Instead...

Right. This second chance at salvation doctrine he believes in is a doctrine of devils. No one will get a second chance at salvation when Jesus comes.

These comments are useless. Are you AFRAID to show how you interpret those passages? Is that why you're just whining and talking nonsense instead of addressing the topic of this thread? So, you have no interest in addressing the text found in 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13? When do you think...

Is the beast with seven heads and ten horns not a symbolic entity representing something in reality? I don't understand why you don't like the word "symbolic" when there is nothing wrong with that word whatsoever. You act like the word is a synonym of the word "fictional", which it is not...

Either go away or tell us how you interpret those passages. Maybe you can show the Premills who don't relate the destruction described in 1 Thess 5:2-3 directly with the destruction described in 2 Peter 3:10-12 how they are the same. Otherwise, you are contributing nothing of value to this...

I meant the 7th seal. I don't care that you can't see that. I've done all I can to get you to see what I believe and you still don't get it. Whatever.

Don't post scriptures without commentary. I don't know how you think this supports your theory about a secret rapture before the tribulation. Jesus was not talking about the tribulation there, He was talking about escaping His wrath. I thought you knew how to differentiate between the...

You interpret scripture just like the natural man and it shows in your carnal interpretations. How about you put your money where your mouth is and tell us how you interpret the passages related to this thread?

How about not just reading the threat title and reading the actual post as well?