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  1. Paul Christensen

    Why Do People Believe In This?

    Is Mormonism Christian? by Gordon Holmes Fraser.
  2. Paul Christensen

    Why Do People Believe In This?

    Okay. I won't push the issue. I will wait until I receive the other book I ordered which may be a better source for discussion. It may take a number of days to come seeing that the weekend is just one day away in my part of the world.
  3. Paul Christensen

    Why Do People Believe In This?

    I can't find my actual posts on the issue of women's ministry but I can include the academic dissertations. The third one (bringing order to 1 Cor 14:34-35 is the best one).
  4. Paul Christensen

    Why Do People Believe In This?

    I can live with that. :) I can understand your defensiveness when confronted with Dave Hunt's investigation of the LDS church. I have no doubt that you consider it total lies and fiction and you have every right to have that opinion of it. After all, you are a faithful, practising member of...
  5. Paul Christensen

    Why Do People Believe In This?

    I enjoyed reading your post. It is always stimulating to have a discussion with you. Flattery will get me everywhere!!! :D We have the treasure in earthen vessels. There are even genuine Christian believers in most of what we view as cults like the LDS, JWs, SDAs RCCs, etc. The main reason...
  6. Paul Christensen

    Please Stop Turning Non-Debate Threads Into Debates

    Good for you! (spoken in a very encouraging and affirmative tone of voice.)
  7. Paul Christensen

    Why Do People Believe In This?

    I'm not dancing around or skirting it away. I have conceded the official LDS position. I am interested in your views about some of the other issues the book brings up. For this thread, I am de-objectivising my own theological views on these issues and holding back from "editorializing" my...
  8. Paul Christensen

    Why Do People Believe In This?

    I don't think it's fair to state that every person who has contributed material for the book is lying about their personal experience with the LDS church. I know that much of what is written in the book is distasteful to you and prompts feelings of defensiveness. I feel the same when someone...
  9. Paul Christensen

    Why Do People Believe In This?

    I read this webpage which gives a more realistic LDS view of the conception of Jesus. To be fair, nothing in Dave Hunt's book says that the Father had actual sex with Mary. So I will concede that point that most LDS believe that Jesus was conceived through the "overshadowing" of the Holy...
  10. Paul Christensen

    Why Do People Believe In This?

    I can kick things off my quoting from Doctrine and Covenants 130:23: "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's, the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us." This...
  11. Paul Christensen

    Why Do People Believe In This?

    The book I have right here is The God Makers by Ed Decker and Dave Hunt. I don't know if you have that copy available, but I can refer to it as part of our discussion.
  12. Paul Christensen

    Please Stop Turning Non-Debate Threads Into Debates

    A good question - "For what?" True prayer is this: "Be not anxious for anything, but by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, make your requests known to God; and the peace of God which passes all understanding will keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus" (Philippians 4:5-6)...
  13. Paul Christensen

    Why Do People Believe In This?

    As the OP has said in response to my apology for hijacking her thread, she doesn't mind at all; so as long as she doesn't mind, we can keep going on this one. If she decides that the thread has run its course, or good discussion has turned into a useless debate, then she has the freedom to...
  14. Paul Christensen

    Please Stop Turning Non-Debate Threads Into Debates

    I don't use the Scripture as a battering ram to push my opinions. I give my opinions first and if a Scripture comes to mind that supports it, I include it. If I see a post that contains just verses of Scripture, all I see is that the person can quote the Bible. It is as if the person thinks...
  15. Paul Christensen

    Why Do People Believe In This?

    I'm going to assume that your questions are not loaded in the sense that you have your own answers already. :D My definition of a cult is a religious organisation built on a personality (such as Kenny Copeland) or a teaching from a person (such as Ellen White's books). This is distinct from a...
  16. Paul Christensen

    Why Do People Believe In This?

    What would interest me are the actual quotes that Dave Hunt included which you think are non-authoritative and twisted. I am not intending to shoot you down, rather to open it up for discussion.
  17. Paul Christensen

    Please Stop Turning Non-Debate Threads Into Debates

    I think that anyone who is secure in their faith would have no difficulty in being involved in a forum like this. If one is feeling threatened by the beliefs of others expressed in these threads, then one needs to ensure that they are really in the faith and have a stronger assurance of their...
  18. Paul Christensen

    Why Do People Believe In This?

    I was wondering whether you would pop up in response to my comments about Mormonism. I have always enjoyed it when you have entered a discussion. Dave Hunt wrote a very interesting book about Mormonism (the "anti-cult" book I was referring to). Why don't you either get a copy of the book, or...
  19. Paul Christensen

    Is this the reason unbelievers don't get a free pass.

    Seems to be a bit of a stretch of the Scripture to me - reading into it more than what it is actually saying using Eisegesis. So, you don't believe that every person is separated from God and is under condemnation until they embrace Jesus as Saviour, and that there is some good in every human...
  20. Paul Christensen

    Why Do People Believe In This?

    The information I received from the "anti-cult" book about the LDS church was from the writings of the founders and from prominent presidents of the church themselves, rather than from the opinion of the author. Also the Father/Mary sex, celestial marriages and populating other planets as...