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Again, can we try to keep denomination talk out of this. I want this to be an open thread where we look at what people see and discuss it.. Not talk about what men long since dead had to say about it. Thank you :)

did you mean the first coming? edit. sorry, I misred you, forgive me, i see what your saying now..

can we please try to get away with this type of discussion..

I like this, thank you

so we have to become bankrupt in spirit. and be as the tax collector. to call out to God?

how was you cleansed of any sins, even if you think it was only past?

Nicodemus response. 9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?” Jesus answer 10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do...

I agree, giving up our independence is not works. but losing your life.. in other words humility.. what does this mean. why do we have to do it?

how can you receive the spirit when you are still dead in your sin?

continuing what does it mean to be born again 5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said...

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I see I will have to place you on ignore. You need to humble yourself my friend. i will pray for you..

so we have to earn it? I think the term lose your life is different than you do.. what did the jew do in the OT on the day of atonement to have the blood of the atonment applied to them?

That was the anointing of the spirit. not the baptism of the spirit When the HS comes in you, he is anointing you 1 John 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all...

so what is required of us to be born again into this realm? did Not Jesus tell us in John 3?

why did it take you 17 years to receive the spirit? eph 1 says you receive the spirit the moment you receive Christ? 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

I do not look at 40,000 denominations. I look at three gospels. and after these many churches or denominations that do things different, or differ in other doctrines. but are the same as other churches when it comes to the gospel. so when I see it. there are three basic gospel truths, all...

I was funning you. I have not got to that part of the passage in this thread yet.. it is next

That is what the blood is for. atonement. It is what allows God to be in us, even though we are still not perfect. If we had to be perfect for God to come in, He would never come in..

so you think these are two events? I see where you are coming from now thank you Can you explain from scripture what baptism of the spirit is please