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fun fact the roman church burnt all books or items that did not line up with their doctrine. they also executed anyone who they deemed as heretics, saying Mary had sex was heresy. so you would not expect to find any belief otherwise. it would heave been destroyed by the church. once again...

Again, The jews believed this also. was the God of Israel the one true God.. Not the one they worshiped. remember the crucified him lol.. when else would he have left his abode in heaven and entered the body of the child? If he could do it for mary, Why could he not just do it for Christ...

I answered that question Just take the word at face value.. he chose them to be conformed to his image. he chose them because he knew who they were he chose them because he saw and believed. As was his will

It will not help your case though.. I could say i would give my life also.. it does not mean I am right..

You did no such thing.. all you did was show it could be that way

once again Mary did not Carry God. She carried a flesh body that God would enter to become God man. Jesus did not enter the child until he was already born. If Mary needed to be perfect. by practice mary's mother would have to be perfect as would her mother and her mother and her mother etc etc..

The same one the jews worshiped. These same jews who crucified Christ becaus Christ told them their religion could not save them?

By foreknowledge Who did God chose? jesus tells us, those who see and believe, it is the who have eternal life.

Sadly, to many people are stuck in what they were taught.. I doubt until Christ returns there will be agreement

I believe one aspect if biblical understanding is to interpret the word in a way it agrees. a good example in romans 4 vs james 2.. appearantly contradictory.. so interpret so they both aagree

Not very convincing. You never did answer me about mary, and her mother having to be perfect to bore a perfect mary..

Which God?

So all you have done is prove they may be his brothers, they may not be. so there is no proof at all

truth? what truth? the roman truth? or biblical truth?

but it is meaningless. Unless you could actually die, it is just words. again, an illogical argument..

just because they are never called the children of Joseph and or Mary does not mean they were not. this is a weak argument. they were never called Jesus cousins. they were called his brothers.. in fact. they were even recognized as his brothers. so the cousin, kinsmen argument is weak also...

the problem with the legalist is they try to make justification and sanctification equal. and dependent on one another. it is not true. he has perfected FOREVER those who are being sanctified..

they want the fighting to stop. they allow alot of stuff in here.. not going to question the reason why.. But it is there chat room..

murder is a crime.. are you going to commit suicide if you lose?

so is your faith weak? why are you not walking in christ? Why do you still sin. why has the power of sin not been broken in you? You can;t have it both ways bro