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No, I’m being facetious and playing on the word mocca sin. Do you think I need shooting?

Do you wear moccasins Addy? I thought a moccasin was when you drank a certain coffee ....I suppose wearing moccasins is a messy business....probably as unpopular as wearing an ice cream!

Ahhhhh, money making!...a carrot then an addictive trap and one’s time is chomped. Who care bear an insult like this of the adored God?

Tong, I am not avoiding what you say I am avoiding. Is it not correct that you are maneuvering to make a case for the appeasement of an angry God through blood sacrifice?

Re answering my question...you have been intellectually dishonest in this case. Jesus death accomplishes the revelation of God’s Character in an unprecedented way.

....and gather twice as much on the sixth day!

Jesus’ reality offered himself to God all the way to dying. He never failed....he endured the limitations he was willingly subjected to... he overcame. Think in terms of his life that he gave as opposed to thinking of his death that he gave (gave in the sense of appeasement) His death was a...

I asked in a previous post Tong, if your angle is that if an angry God needing to be appeased....you avoided the question. It appears however from your first statement here, this is the route you prefer to take... is this not correct? To the second part and your question; Jesus’ allowing...

How can you possibly know that you are one of the chosen with this view? Every religious nut deems themselves selected and feels at liberty to be certain as to who isn’t. The scripture you quoted is true but how one hears them is contingent to ones paradigm.

Who is going to do your laundry?

‘Given over’ means left to their choices. It does not mean God has rejected them. We (humans) reject people when they don’t dance to our tune and dare we superimpose our deficit onto God?

Harmless and undefined, without spot or blemish....being the light of the world; in him is no darkness at all.

He offered himself to humanity....free to us, full of risk to himself.

Your question assumes the word ‘sacrifice’ fits a particular paradigm namely, that of appeasing the Deity. Isn’t this correct?

To limit himself to a human body for eternity is a sacrifice few can grasp. The very nature of love is to be vulnerable; taking a human body subject to the same weakness we have is a risk, a risk unfathomable for us. The risk involved the universe and eternity. If Jesus did not succeed...

Yeah Addy, it makes the point well.

what will you achieve if I tell you one way or the other?

Oh kcnalp, I hardly want to rub your nose in it. Give post #35 some thought.

Any person who speaks a second language would understand the challenge in conveying meaning by word for word translation. In many cases translating word for word would render the text a garble and subsequently requires adjustments to make it reasonably readable.....and of course the intent is...