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For some of the OT, that's true, but not all of it. No one is saying that nothing in the OT can be understood without the NT. But, some things in the OT were purposely made obscure because God intended them to be revealed or made more clear in the NT. For example, where is it made clear in the...

So do I, so how about we stop accusing each other of that, eh? I don't think that's the reason we disagree or that we sometimes misunderstand each other most of the time. You say you read everything I say carefully, but then you ask me questions like this. The point is that the judgment won't...

Revelation 18 says nothing about people in Judea fleeing to the mountains, so don't act like Revelation 18 is no different. It's obvious that Revelation 18 is symbolic and not literal, but that is not the case for Matthew 24:15-21. If the reference to Judea is symbolic, then what does it...

I am and I have to agree with you. It sure seems like the time that Jesus talked about in Matthew 24:9-13 and that Paul talked about in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12, doesn't it? Which we Amills refer to as Satan's little season. I think this is one reason that some Premills can't understand our view...

I agree, but it's also important to point out that the ones who were blinded were not blinded permanently as if there was no hope for them. They were blinded in order to have salvation go to the Gentiles. But, Paul hoped to lead some of them who were blinded to salvation by way of provoking them...

Are you somehow not noticing the difference in context between the Luke 21 passage and the Matthew 24 passage? The Luke 21 passage is referring to global tribulation while the Matthew 24 passage refers to tribulation in Judea. There is no basis for tinking those are talking about the same event...

No kidding. Who is denying that? No one. I didn't say that Jesus didn't talk about great tribulation. He talked about great tribulation in terms of God's wrath. I'm simply pointing out how other scripture refers to Satan's wrath and persecution as great tribulation as well.

Grow up and act like an adult for once. What did he say that isn't true? He's simply saying that great tribulation can be the wrath of God or it can be the wrath of Satan. That's the truth. So, get a clue.

I see lots of false teaching in this thread which is heavily influenced by false Seventh-Day Adventist doctrine, so I will share what I believe to be the truth of the matter. Human beings consist of body, soul and spirit. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and...

Stop your nonsense. A time of great tribulation can be both a time of God's wrath or a time of persecution depending on the context. So, don't act like great tribulation can only refer to God's wrath. So, you think Christians being persecuted and killed is not great tribulation? What in the...

I agree. They most likely do not study scripture for themselves while asking the Holy Spirit for guidance and instead just believe what they were taught. You decided to be like the Bereans and study it for yourself to see if what those false teachers said was true and you discovered that it was...

Premills have difficulty with New Testament scripture and think they understand OT scripture better than the NT authors did. It's almost as though Judaism would be more appealing to some Premills than Christianity. Do you accuse Paul of spiritualizing away OT scripture when he says that the...

You were asked if you can support your view with scripture and you respond with your own questions instead of answering the question. Your response here shows that you can't provide any scripture to back up your claim since you don't even attempt to do so. And, why would you ask a question that...

The book of Revelation indicates that they will pass away after the thousand years (and Satan's little season) and 2 Peter 3:10-13 indicates that they will pass away when Jesus comes as a thief in the night. What does that tell you about the timing of the thousand years? It tells me that it...

Right, but he doesn't define what he thinks the great tribulation entails exactly, so, without defining terms the discussion becomes pointless.

Actually, Satan was cast out of heaven long ago already, but we don't have to discuss that here. You're right that we have to differentiate between God's wrath and Satan's wrath, though. Are you one of those people he is talking about? Did he misunderstand you to be talking about God's wrath...

I beg to differ. It's very detailed and wrong because of extreme doctrinal bias. His explanation for John 5:28-29 is absolutely ridiculous. To turn the coming hour when all of the dead will be resurrected into a long period of time can't be taken seriously. Daniel 12:1-2 also shows that both the...

I have seen that you equate the great tribulation with God's wrath, so that should be clarified so that people know what you refer to when you refer to "great tribulation". Revelation 7 talks about Christians coming out of "great tribulation", but that is not referring to God's wrath, but rather...

They keep asking why the old covenant animal sacrifices were performed while implying that they believe they will be performed again in the future for the same reasons. Which shows their ignorance because the old covenant animal sacrifices were performed only to foreshadow Christ's sacrifice...

Getting them to support their claims with scripture is like pulling teeth. It's quite telling that all they do is ask questions while providing no answers.