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I would like to add, Peter tells us the wicked will be destroyed by the brightness of his coming.....the very coming the saints have looked forward to for millennia. I suppose that puts a spanner in the works of the wicked hanging around for another seven years.

Of course the first resurrection is for the saints....that goes without saying as the scripture is abundantly clear on that but assuming that 'in the Air' means secret as in only those involved see it is absurd. Jesus tells us that 'every eye will see him and all the tribes of the earth will...

There are several things to address and comment on here Curtis but one will do.... Iron was the strongest metal known to man and symbolised God's love subsequently David could say in Psalm 23:4 'your rod and your staff comfort me'....is this what you had in mind?

I glean from your post you do not speak a second language, Ancient?

Their ears are stopped, their eyes are closed....even while The Message goes to the four corners of the Earth with power

You couple 'rapture' to Resurrection. By this you mean 'secret Rapture', an event claimed will happen by the vanishing of God's people from the face of the Earth while the rest of the population continues along its way. Is this not your view?? The above text you have quoted has not even a hint...

The 'Rapture' a coined word which appears nowhere in scripture and an abbreviation of the 'Secret Rapture' is a construct which attempts to divide and confuse the plain descriptions of Jesus return by both by Luke, Paul and Jesus. In your statement above Enoch, it is coupled with a fudged and...

These are distinctions you have made Enoch, not the scriptures. This is poor eschatological exegesis. As already noted, the events described in 1Thessalonians 4 (second coming) and Zechariah 14 are distinctly different events as is clear from their descriptions....no need to obfuscate.

I'm not sure what your point is ViJ?

I think the 'come up here' text interpreted as it is is taken out of context to suit the secret Rapture theory. Scripture does not describe anything happening in secret connected to Jesus return but rather will be public and visible to all.

I have started a new thread titled 'Jesus Return...in the Air...on the Mountain'

This topic is a spill over from backlit's thread 'The Restrainer. And the Restrained'↑ ........... I would suggest they are talking of seperate events.....the question is what are they? We know that Paul in Thessalonians is speaking of Jesus second coming because there is the reference to the...

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I would suggest they are talking of seperate events.....the question is what are they? We know that Paul in Thessalonians is speaking of Jesus second coming because there is the reference to the resurrection of Gods people and them meeting him in the air. The text in Zechariah however where...

have you considered these texts are talking of seperate events?

Your ability to join dots accurately is abysmal Curtis....and I am not saying this to put you down!

hold the presumptions and dare I say, the objections till the case is presented, Woh

hello to you, Ancient

God woos all men yet when men deliberately shut out his voice they place themselves in a position where that voice is no longer heard....and if it is no longer heard they have closed the avenue God has chosen to enlighten them.....they have rejected his Spirit....they have committed the...

A person who continues in a deliberately sinful lifestyle after giving lip service to a conversion has never known what a new birth is. They have never understood in their experience what it is to have a turn around. They have never understood the extremely high price paid for their Salvation...