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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    A discussion I just had recently with Chatgpt involving Daniel 7.

    This kind of argument is ridiculous. What if someone made the same kind of argument against your understanding of Matthew 24:21 and Daniel 12:1? Would you find it to be a legitimate argument? You have often claimed that that Daniel 12:1 and Matthew 24:21 refer to the same event. Using the same...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    A discussion I just had recently with Chatgpt involving Daniel 7.

    I would say it's not only possible, but likely. Because they don't even exist any more at that point. These beasts represent historical kingdoms or world empires. Verse 12 is just a parenthetical statement about the three previous world empires. How are you coming up with this? Is his name not...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    What is your understanding of what exactly "we are promised to not go through"? Would you agree that what we will "not go through" (escape) is what unbelievers will not escape? How do you interpret this passage: 1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    There is no scripture which states that we are currently in the NHNE spiritually. We will not be in the NHNE in any way, shape or form until the first (current) heaven and earth have passed away. Revelation 21:1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    A discussion I just had recently with Chatgpt involving Daniel 7.

    It's pretty sad when you think everyone except you is dishonest and brings doctrinal bias into their interpretations of Daniel 7. I don't even know how you interpret the passage. All you can do is claim that everyone else is wrong while I have no idea what you think the four beasts represent...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    That's what you would say, but it's not what scripture says. The new, heavenly Jerusalem is not a place in the NHNE, it's a symbolic description of the church. It is described as "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Rev 21:9). Yes, we are part of it even now, but we're still waiting for the time when...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    That's a viable interpretation of what it means when it says there will be no more sea. I haven't given that a lot of thought, so I don't have an opinion set in stone on that. I tend to think it's probably symbolic.
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

    Can you show me where Jesus indicated that what He said in the following passage would one day no longer be true and things would go back to how they used to be again for some inexplicable reason? John 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 20 Our fathers...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    The old heaven and old earth will not still exist when the NHNE is ushered in. Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    The last enemy, death, will be destroyed when Jesus comes at the last trumpet when it can then be said "Death is swallowed up in victory", fulfilling the prophecy from Isaiah 25:8, which is also quoted in Revelation 21:4. 1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    Nowhere. Do you not care if you interpret those verses in a way that doesn't contradict any other verses? If you accept what it says in Revelation 21:4, then you will understand that there will be no death, crying, sorrow or pain in the NHNE. There can't be any need for healing if there is no...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    The order, as I see it, is like this (I believe this all happens quickly up until the judgment which I believe takes place in eternity): 1. Jesus descends from heaven with His angels and the souls of the dead in Christ. 2. The dead in Christ are resurrected. 3. The dead in Christ and those who...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    You are taking that too literally. It's not talking about people being injured or sick and needing healing for their injuries or illnesses. It's talking figuratively about maintaining the perfect health and wellbeing that will be present in the NHNE where there will be no more death, crying...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    The context of the dead in Christ rising first is not in relation to unbelievers. It's in relation to living believers. According to Paul in 1 Thess 4:14-17, the order of things after Christ descends from heaven is that the dead in Christ are first resurrected and then after that those who are...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    That is from 1 Thessalonians 5:9, of course. And everyone here agrees that born again believers are not appointed to God's wrath. But, you somehow equate "God's wrath" with "the great tribulation". How do you come to that conclusion? What is your understanding of what "the great tribulation"...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    Yeah, I saw that. That's funny. Nice to see that we're on the same page.
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    Agree. Also, there's this... 1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Premils have flesh and blood mortals inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns and then populating the kingdom...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    Premils somehow have some "who do not know God" and "do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ" surviving His return, but I don't see where that is indicated at all in the text. Why would some unbelievers be allowed to survive and the rest not? What would be different about them that would...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    LOL. You are so delusional. You have not posted anything that has debunked Amillennialism. You think you can just quote a scripture and claim that it refutes Amil without even showing how it supposedly refutes it. Anyone can quote scripture and make claims about it, but you need to show exactly...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    What are "unsaved nations"? Salvation is an individual thing, not a national thing. Also, have you actually read Psalm 2? Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine...