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hang in there ViJ...this aint promised to be a smooth ride.....and if it was up to our experience in the flesh none would make it but we have one who has promised new hearts for old. Seeing the truth of myself in myself is no sure anchor therefore I reach to him who cannot lie and trust his...

They do not harmonise, they are in fact contradictory. The issue arises from how the Hebrews saw. They believed everything good and bad came from God. They did not have the concept of Satan as we do today. Satan to them was as we would see a public prosecutor...one who was neither good nor bad...

I don't understand how you relate your above answer to my question kcnalp.

is that statement for the ether or do you have a target? :)

yeah, well, I could have called you crusty pumpkin pie....anyway, its just a term of endearment and my concern for what you stated.

when I said earlier the mark of the beast had to do with worship, how do you guys understand what I've said?

Jesus took on the role of second Adam....he died for all men and was raised for all men. This is how God's love is manifested. This is the good news to the human race. Men however despise what is theirs won at unspeakable cost....they choose the way of Judas Herein is the nature of...

It definitely does fluffy. It is discernment which determines wisdom or foolishness.

The point is, he has misrepresented the Reformers and so is laying the foundation for the Papist agenda in the minds of the uninformed

Ask yourself whether Jesus punished anybody....that'll give you a picture of how God operates.

The mark is not a chip, you can be certain of that. The mark has to do with worship.....that'll be the determining factor as it always has.

The reformers didn't do what this guy is saying they did. He is imposing his stuff on the reformers which is an interesting development on its own.

what's happening pumpkin pie?

I like how Jane has presented forgiveness. This is how I see it also.

I pick up a note of irritation HIM....is it because I haven't danced to your tune?....and in regards to what SDA's think on the matter, I don't concern myself with that. The long and the short of it is that the emphasis on Israel is so misplaced I don't see any point in sparing with you on this...

The emphasis that matters unfolds Jesus ...words easily said but little understood. How do I know that?...by listening!

hmmmm, do you think that might be the reason I didn't respond to your thread on Literal Israel?

the need to not be seen as weak

1.. because the genuine reason is concealed 2.. when a man weeps, there is no hidden agenda

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