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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    This is an absolute lie. Do you have no conscience about spreading lies? Another lie. Justin Martyr, who lived from 100 AD to 165 AD, said that there were many true Christians who believed otherwise from His premillennial view. That was early 2nd century, but it shows there were many...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Pre-Trib Dispensationalism IS False

    Jesus was talking about bodily going to heaven when He said no one has gone there. Only He has gone to heaven bodily. But, the souls of the dead in Christ are in heaven now, also. Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Arguments and comments on the Post Trib position

    Yes, that is obviously what he is saying is false. I'm simply saying we should be careful about saying there is no rapture at all, which is misleading. With the understanding that the word "rapture" simply refers to our being gathered and caught up to meet the Lord in the air after He descends...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Arguments and comments on the Post Trib position

    You shouldn't say "no rapture". That can be misleading. There will be a rapture, but not to heaven. The word rapture refers to being gathered and caught up to meet the Lord. And I know your actual point is not that there won't be a rapture, but that there won't be a rapture to heaven, which is...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Arguments and comments on the Post Trib position

    I see that you still are only able to make claims that you're not able to back up with scripture. You don't even attempt to back them up with scripture except to make a vague reference to Acts 1 as if anything there supports pretrib (not even close). You think your words are on the same level as...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    What will the 1000 year kingdom on earth Jesus reigns over look like.

    You know nothing about context. You prove that over and over again. You don't use other scripture to aid your understanding. You have no understanding of the New Testament whatsoever. You may be aware that Paul wrote other letters. This is what it means in Romans 9:7 when it says "Neither...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    What will the 1000 year kingdom on earth Jesus reigns over look like.

    I've been telling you what it means, which is what matters. And I'm using scripture to do it. But, you are not interested in the counsel of all scripture. You are not allowing scripture to interpret scripture for you. You try to say that the new covenant doesn't apply to Gentiles despite Paul...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    Have you considered the possibility that Zechariah 14:4 is symbolic rather than literal when it comes to the mount of Olives splitting in half? Look at this passage: Luke 3:1 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    What are you talking about here? The Greek word "pyr" (G4442) does not mean lightning. It means fire. Why are you misrepresenting what the word means? That is not the word used in Matthew 24:27 for "lightning". That is a different word, which is astrapē (G796). So, "flaming fire" is not the same...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    What will the 1000 year kingdom on earth Jesus reigns over look like.

    The Israel of which all is and shall be saved is spiritual Israel, not the nation of Israel. You need to learn to understand context. Paul wrote about two different Israels and your focus is on the wrong one. Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    What will the 1000 year kingdom on earth Jesus reigns over look like.

    Wrong. The new covenant is all about salvation because it relates directly to the forgiveness of sins, which is what salvation is all about. Matthew 26:27 Then He took the cup, and after He gave thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you. 28 For this is My blood of the new...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    Right. Regarding that event in Sodom in Lot's day, Jesus said "Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed." (Luke 17:30). Which means just as Sodom was destroyed the same day Lot went out of Sodom, Christ's enemies will all be destroyed the same day we are gathered and...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Pre-Trib Dispensationalism IS False

    What's hilarious is that you define the terms pretrib and postrib differently than almost everyone else. When you say Noah was gathered pretrib, you really mean He was gathered before God's wrath came by way of the flood. Others, like me, who refer to pretrib are not talking about pretrib in...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Pre-Trib Dispensationalism IS False

    The verses say exactly the opposite of that. They say that the rapture must take place AFTER the great falling away takes place first. 2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Arguments and comments on the Post Trib position

    Do you not believe that the souls of the dead in Christ are in heaven right now? John saw those souls of the dead in Christ in Revelation 6:9-11 and Revelation 20:4. Why do you assume that any reference to saints being in heaven refers to them having already been raptured?
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    What will the 1000 year kingdom on earth Jesus reigns over look like.

    Are you even reading everything I'm saying? I specifically said "I'm asking you to tell me what you think it means for the new covenant to be fulfilled.". And you're telling me you don't know what I'm asking you the meaning of? Are you kidding me? And then you're trying to pass it off on me when...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    It refers both to the unmistakable nature of His coming and to the speed of His coming. He said Himself, "behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." (Rev 22:12). Preterists think He is talking about coming soon there, but He is talking...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    The part in 2 Thess 1:7-8 that talks about Him coming to take vengeance on those who don't know God and don't obey the gospel refers to Jesus physically destroying His enemies when He comes. The punishment referenced in verse 9 refers to eternal punishment that will soon follow that at the...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    When the Son of Man Comes:

    Yes, it does. It says it will happen when Jesus comes again. You're not reading 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 as one narrative, but it is. In verse 22, Paul says that all will be resurrected and then he proceeds to say there is an order to the resurrections. He reiterates that Christ's resurrection was...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    No. Him coming "in flaming fire" has nothing to do with lightning. That phrase is not related to Him coming quickly like lightning flashes from east to west. Him coming in flaming fire is talking about this... 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which...