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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Stating facts about your childishness is not a personal attack. It's an observation that is shared by many. If you think it's okay to be rude and childish, I can't force you to think otherwise. But, I will criticize you for it and call you out on it time and again. It makes it hard for anyone to...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:6 "The First Resurrection" Explained

    I think there's only one person here (not you) who manipulates scripture to say what he wants it to say more than he does. It's sad to see.
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:6 "The First Resurrection" Explained

    LOL. Yes, he is obviously a key figure in both verses. How does that mean that both verses relate to the same event? That's quite a stretch. Again, there is no resurrection that occurs after what is described in Revelation 12:7, but there is after what is described in Daniel 12:1. Nonsense...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Are you unable to have an adult, civilized conversation? Why do you feel the need to be childish and rude at every opportunity? I think you need serious help. If you disagree with what I said, fine. It was only a suggestion of what would have to be the case IF it was a future prophecy, and I'm...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:6 "The First Resurrection" Explained

    I'm not going to keep wasting time on this. I see no direct relation between Daniel 12:1 and Revelation 12:7. As David pointed out, there is no resurrection following Revelation 12:7, so that should be enough to show you that the two verses are not directly related. Daniel 12:2 And many of them...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:6 "The First Resurrection" Explained

    You made NO attempt to understand what I was saying, so I'll have to spell it out to you. Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Christ's return has to do with Him taking vengeance on His enemies which are the enemies of His church (2 Thessalonians 1:7-10). Why would God focus particularly on judging Gog and Magog at Christ's return when in reality He will judge all of Christ's enemies when He returns? Also, if Gog and...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    You have once again misrepresented Amil. You try to debate against something that you don't even understand. Amils do not say that those who have put on bodily immortality are among "the dead" mentioned in that passage. The dead mentioned in that passage end up in the lake of fire. But, what we...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    It's for everyone. You agreed with me when I said "I believe scripture clearly teaches that there is just one judgment of all people. Not two or more judgments or judgment days as premils believe.". If you really agree with me about that, then why would "those who spent the 1000 years with...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    This type of argument is invalid. Are you not aware by now that not every passage relating to a particular event contains all of the details related to that event? For example, we both believe that 1 Thess 4:14-17 and Matthew 24:29-31 describe the same event, right? We can see that 1 Thess...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Sure, that's a possibility because of the similar text. As I always point out, though, I don't think it's wise to make Ezekiel 38-39 part of the foundation of one's doctrine. It's one of the most difficult passages in the entire Bible to interpret. Bible doctrine should be based on more clear...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Let me remind you of what you had said. You said this: You said you believe what you described "represents "today's accepted interpretation" which came across as though you were saying that what you described was the most frequent interpretation being accepted today. Yet, I don't know even one...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Jesus Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, At This Time The Resurrection Of "All" Takes Place (Then Cometh The End)

    Amillennialism is just too simple for some. They just can't accept that it can be this simple, so they come up with convoluted theories on what will happen that often only they can understand. But, it is as simple as you showed here. One day Jesus will come unexpectedly as a thief in the night...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:6 "The First Resurrection" Explained

    There is no direct relation between Daniel 12:1-2 and Revelation 12:7. I don't know why you're trying to insist that there is. A reference to Michael standing up is pretty vague. We can only speculate on what it means for Michael to stand up exactly, but I don't believe it has anything to do...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:6 "The First Resurrection" Explained

    Daniel 12:2 does not refer only to the people of Daniel. It refers generally to those who are physically dead being bodily resurrected. And MANY (Hebrew "rab") does NOT mean many, but not all. It just means a large number, which may or may not refer to all of something. If I referred to all 8...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    How do you know that it's talking about a literal, physical battle? It talks about ancient weapons being used and you don't take that literally. Yet, you still insist it's talking about a literal battle. How convenient for you to cherry pick what's literal and what's not in that prophecy. If you...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Why would the dead in Christ be resurrected twice? Scripture never teaches such a thing. Instead, it teaches that the dead in Christ will all be resurrected at the same time and it will only be one time, which is when Christ returns (1 Thess 4:14-17, 1 Cor 15:22-23). You are coming to...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    There is no such thing as "the wicked in Christ". Where do you get that from? Scripture never teaches that anyone will be resurrected and then allowed to roam around on the earth. Are you keeping other scripture in mind when trying to interpret these passages? Scripture teaches that the wicked...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Where is this concept taught anywhere in scripture? Once the wicked dead are resurrected, they will be judged (Daniel 12:2, John 5:28-29). They will not be allowed to roam around on the earth after that. In Revelation 20, "Gog and Magog" number "as the sand of the sea" and are from "the four...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Where did you get this idea from? I don't think anyone believes that the ones who number "as the sand of the sea" and are symbolically referred to as "Gog and Magog" refer to the dead in Christ who have been resurrected. Why would anyone believe that the dead in Christ would be resurrected only...