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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    the false messianic age and the beginning of the day of the Lord

    I already addressed this. Did you not read what I said? Do you just read a couple words in other people's posts and then hit Reply without reading everything that was said? How can anyone say when the day of the Lord will begin when it's said to come unexpectedly as a thief in the night? I think...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    the false messianic age and the beginning of the day of the Lord

    Why did you not address what I actually said? Where in 1 Thess 5:2-9 is there any indication that Paul was talking about world peace and safety as opposed to people being in spiritual darkness and feeling spiritually at peace and safe from any consequences for their beliefs and actions? Why...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    the false messianic age and the beginning of the day of the Lord

    I didn't say that they know that. Where are you getting that idea from? I didn't say anything like that. Those who are in spiritual darkness have no idea that God's wrath is coming until it actually comes upon them suddenly when Jesus comes as a thief in the night. LOL. That means nothing...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Weak response from you, as usual. You didn't address anything I said. Because you can't. As for the Jews, there have been plenty who were regrafted in for the past almost 2,000 years, including some in Paul's day. That's why he said in Romans 11:11-14 that he hoped to help save some of those...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Yes, and it refers to people who are not saved and are instead damned. So, why are you trying to apply that passage to anyone here when mostly all you know about anyone here is what they believe about end times prophecy? 2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    the false messianic age and the beginning of the day of the Lord

    Can you address what I said in my post about the context of people saying "peace and safety"? Why is it that you reply to posts without even specifically addressing what was said in them? That's weird to me. It seems that you also think it relates to world peace and safety, but the context of 1...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    You make it one by trying to associate others here with 2 Thess 2:9-12 which is a passage about people who are NOT saved. You are disgustingly rude for associating a passage that is clearly referring to unsaved people with people who disagree with your end times views. Your efforts are in vain...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    the false messianic age and the beginning of the day of the Lord

    Define "the great tribulation". What does that entail exactly in your mind? And where is that indicated? Nowhere. The "sudden destruction" is said to occur when the day of the Lord arrives unexpectedly as a thief in the night. How does that fit in your view? According to Peter in 2 Peter...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    When the saints are overcome

    But, someone could use that same kind of logic and conclude that John 3:16 is saying every person without exception who believes in Christ will not perish and will have everlasting life. So, why do you not interpret John 3:16 with the same kind of logic you use to interpret Revelation 20:6? A...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    When the saints are overcome

    You are creating your own definition for OSAS here that doesn't relate to the context of what the OSAS vs. NOSAS debate is about. In that context, OSAS means that it's not possible for anyone to lose their salvation while NOSAS means it is possible for any saved person to lose their salvation...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Oh, so you have decided that how someone interprets Revelation 20 (premil or amil) is a basis for whether or not someone will inherit eternal life or will be condemned to the lake of fire? You apparently don't even know what is required for salvation which makes me concerned for your soul. What...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    When the saints are overcome

    Justin Martyr himself acknowledged that there were many true Christians at that time who disagreed with his premil view. Scripture never says "The day of the Lord is as a thousand years". That came from Justin Martyr's imagination. What Peter was writing about in 2 Peter 3:8 had nothing to do...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    When the saints are overcome

    And where does God say that? So, tell me where this literal 1,000 year reign fits in these passages then: 1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    When the saints are overcome

    You are speaking complete nonsense here. How can both OSAS and NOSAS both be biblical when those two things contradict each other? The "OS" in those acronyms obviousy stands for "once saved" and it refers to when a person first becomes saved. How can it be true of a person who becomes saved that...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    When the saints are overcome

    I was saying that from YOUR perspective, OSAS vs. NOSAS does involve Eschatological positions even though you said it doesn't. So, it came across as a contradictory statement whether you realize it or not. You should wonder why it is that only you try to make the argument that Amil and NOSAS...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    When the saints are overcome

    Why do you act as if the word has only one definition when everyone knows that is not the case? You showed before that one definition for the word "overcome" is to subdue. If it's talking about the beast overcoming or subduing the saints physically as I believe, it does NOT have to mean that the...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    the false messianic age and the beginning of the day of the Lord

    This is only a problem with your doctrinal bias. Paul and Peter clearly wrote about the same event which the called "the day of the Lord" and they each describe destruction occurring upon its arrival. In 1 Thessalonians 5 Paul is not specific about what causes the destruction, but he said it...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    the false messianic age and the beginning of the day of the Lord

    Based on your interpretation of Zechariah 14:16-19 don't you believe there will be at least some unrighteousness on the earth during the thousand years? In my view, you take away from the significance of what Peter wrote in 2 Peter 3:13 unless you recognize that he was saying that the new...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    the false messianic age and the beginning of the day of the Lord

    I agree, so why are you premil then? Very clearly 2 Peter 3:10-12 refers to the burning up of the heavens and the earth. You agree with amils like me that 2 Peter 3:10-12 occurs when Christ returns. So, how can any mortals survive what is described in 2 Peter 3:10-12 and continue to live as...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    the false messianic age and the beginning of the day of the Lord

    This question is not related to what I was talking about. The "sudden destruction" that occurs when the day of the Lord comes unexpectedly as a thief in the night (1 Thess 5:2-3) will occur on the day Jesus returns. It will result in the burning up of the earth according to Peter in 2 Peter...