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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    No, it says "they lived and reigned with Christ". The Greek word translated as "lived" is "zao" and it does not refer to being bodily resurrected. It refers to their souls being alive and living with Christ in heaven. It says the rest of the dead live again after the thousand years and that word...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    Says the guy who doesn't acknowledge that the souls of the dead martyrs that John saw were in heaven and the guy who believes in a doctrine that mostly only cults believe in (soul sleep). What a joke and waste of time. If you want to insist on believing in the false doctrine of soul sleep, I...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    He said he saw their souls, not their bodies. And they were physically dead. You don't believe that the souls of people can be alive and conscious, but Revelation 6:9-11 disproves that. Where again did you say that the souls John saw under the altar in Rev 6:9-11 are located? Somehow you...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    But, he's trying to tell us that the souls of the dead in Christ that John saw are on earth and being surrounded. LOL. That can't be taken seriously. That's clearly not what it says. Where else would the souls of the dead he saw be except in heaven, right? Certainly not on earth. Dead people's...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    LOL. It's not the souls of the dead, which is what John saw, that are surrounded. Good grief. Are you serious? Why would dead people be surrounded? LOL! This is unbelievable. The saints on earth and the souls of the dead are not the same. The saints are alive, not dead. LOL. Wow.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    Did you actually read Revelation 20? Nowhere does it say that. The souls he saw are DEAD. How can they be surrounded in Jerusalem? I've never seen anything more nonsensical in my life. Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The term being born again vs. the term resurrection.

    Are you saying you don't understand what Paul wrote here: 1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    The souls of dead people are in Jerusalem in the land of Israel? Where are you getting this nonsense from? Paul said to be absent from the body (physically dead) is to be present with the Lord (2 Cor 5:6-8). So, where is the Lord located? In heaven , right? Well, that's where those who are...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    He did not see the souls of the dead there. You are just making things up at this point. I'm not talking about Revelation 20:7-9, I'm talking about Revelation 6:9-11 and Revelation 20:4. where were the souls located that John saw in those verses?
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    I'm not changing it at all. Jesus said that before His death and resurrection. So, it was true as of the time He said it that no one but Him had ever gone into heaven. He did NOT say that no one ever would go into heaven besides Him even after that. Why are you acting as if He did? Where are...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The term being born again vs. the term resurrection.

    Yes, that will happen in the future at the last trumpet when Jesus returns and our bodies are changed to be incorruptible and immortal. 1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    Nice job of completely missing the point. The point was to show you that the soul is part of a human being, so that's what John saw and he saw them in heaven. No one is saying they are there bodily. But, their souls are there. John saw them. You are denying the obvious here.
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    When did He say that? Today? No, it was long ago. Where did He say that no one would ever go into heaven except Him? He didn't. But, keep changing the text to make it say what you want it to say if you feel the need to be dishonest with scripture.
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    No, it's not like that. John said he saw souls, not blood. The soul is a part of a human being. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    LOL. He didn't say no one but Him would ever go into heaven. He just said no one had gone into heaven except Him up to that point. But, go ahead and read things into it that aren't there since that's what people do when they make scripture say what they want it to say. Where did you say the...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    LOL. This shows your utter lack of discernment. Why can't they be under the altar in heaven? Hello? Where else could they be but heaven? Some imaginary place out there?
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    Are you being purposely dense? Where did He say there that not only had no one but Him gone into heaven at that point, but no one else ever would? Where do you think the souls of the dead John saw were? In some fantasy land somewhere in outer space? Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    We're not saying anyone else came from heaven, we're saying the souls of the dead in Christ are in heaven now. Where else did John see the souls of the dead except in heaven? Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    Why do you act as if He said no one had ever gone into heaven except Him at that point and no one else ever would? That's not what He said.
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    Don't ask dumb questions. There is no false doctrine in scripture itself. What do you think I would say, "Yes, that's false doctrine"? Get a clue. As of the time He said that, which was before His death and resurrection, it was true that no one else had gone to heaven. But, the souls of the dead...