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What is worth discussing is you falsely accusing me and others of saying that the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ has already happened when we're not saying that at all. Stop lying!

Really? Hmmmm. I assume you are still a Calvinist? In what sense could a warning about departing from the faith be a warning for the elect in your view?

Okay, but you should refer to them in a different way to avoid any possible confusion because the phrase "those who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord" will make everyone immediately think of 1 Thessalonians 4:15.

Agree. His interpretation of 1 Thess 5:2-3 is one of the worst interpretations of scripture I've ever seen, but he thinks he is somehow disproving amil with his ludicrous arguments.

He can't even answer a simple question like that and he tells us we don't answer his questions? Ridiculous.

That's not possible because Paul said in 2 Thess 2:3 that a falling away and revealing of the man of sin have to happen first before Jesus's coming when we are gathered to meet Him "in the air" or in "the vicinity of the earth" as you called it.

I'd have to create multiple posts to list all of the questions I've asked you in the past that you didn't answer. I have responded to your questions extensively many times and you know it. If you don't like my responses, so be it. You are trying to distract attention away from how weak your...

When you talk about "those who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord", are you talking about the same ones "who are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord" that Paul referenced here: 1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which...

You have trouble with reading comprehension. He did NOT say that "the resurrection is past already" as it relates to the physical/bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ, so the passage above does NOT apply to what he said. He believes that will happen when Christ comes in the future. He is...

Agree. I couldn't disagree more. Any doctrine which says that the wicked/unsaved dead will get another chance at salvation is a doctrine of demons. You are saying that those who are resurrected unto damnation can still be converted and saved. Nonsense! They are said to be resurrected unto...

I disagree with it talking about the physical resurrection of the dead in Christ and I have explained why several times. You are not addressing my question. Please do so. Again, do you believe that someone must have part in the first resurrection in order for the second death to have no power...

What are you talking about? I addressed that in post 1,404. Stop lying. You are the one revealing your inability to explain the difference between being gathered from the uttermost part of the earth an being gathered from the uttermost part of heaven, as Mark 13:27 describes. You don't want to...

You, of course, can't demand that I do anything, but you are expecting me to do that before you address my points. You want a one way discussion where, for the most part, I am the only having to address your points and questions while you can just ignore mine. Anyway, I did address Deut 30:2-6...

I'm not saying that you are. I'm just showing how I understand what having part in the first resurrection (Christ's resurrection) means and how it occurs. Some other amils will say that the act of passing from spiritual death to spiritual life itself is the first resurrection, so my view is a...

Agree. Incredibly, they have no concern that they can't use the NT to confirm their interpretations of the OT. It's as if they think they know the OT better than the NT authors and Jesus did.

I disagree. It doesn't say that literally every Jew had to be gathered. But, some were gathered from every nation long ago already. Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing...

Nothing convincing at all, though, so this doesn't mean anything to me. LOL. You know what I think of those, so it's hilarious that you would say this to me as if this means anything to me. I already showed how Deut 30:2-6 does not line up with Mark 13:24-27 (Matt 24:29-31) and 1 Thess 4:14-17...

Say what now? How do you figure? In verses 17 to 27 an interpretation of everything Daniel had seen was given, including the vision he had as described in verses 2-12 and the visions he had, as described in verses 13 and 14. Daniel 7:15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body...

Yes, you don't have to explain anything. Only we do. LOL. So ridiculous. I don't see where Deuteronomy 30:2-6 says anything about the elect being gathered both from the uttermost part of the earth and the uttermost part of heaven like Mark 13:27 does. In your view there is no difference...

I always have to spell everything out to you. You might want to try actually reading the text that you talk about so that you have some idea of what it actually says. In Daniel 7:2 Daniel says he saw a vision and it ends in verse 12. Then, he said this: Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions...