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  1. Davy

    Church To Stay On Earth

    Have you studied 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 thoroughly? I know pre-trib likes to pull from that chapter a lot, but I find many on pre-trib haven't properly understood it. Matt 24:29-31 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her...
  2. Davy

    Church To Stay On Earth

    Oh, I know plenty that do believe they reign from Heaven.
  3. Davy

    Church To Stay On Earth

    That part in verse 20 is an expression for longevity. Either one believes in 'eternal life' per the New Covenant... through Christ Jesus, or one doesn't. The new heavens and a new earth happens after the future "lake of fire" event. However, Zechariah 14, Ezekiel 47, and Revelation 22:14-15...
  4. Davy

    Church To Stay On Earth

    Start in Genesis 1 and go all the way through. That's what I recommend. I have several study Bibles, but the best one I use is the KJV study Bible E.W. Bullinger put together in the 19th century, called The Companion Bible. It's worth having a copy just for the Appendixes in the back. What he...
  5. Davy

    Church To Stay On Earth

    I think I posted some of this already... Isa 19:23-25 23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians. 24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and...
  6. Davy

    Church To Stay On Earth

    You do realize the word church in the Greek (ekkleesia) simply means an assembly or congregation don't you? Both the Old Testament and New Testament make the same distinction about these called out ones (Deuteronomy 7:6; 1 Peter 2:9; Titus 2:14). Apostle Paul even said the children of Israel in...
  7. Davy

    Church To Stay On Earth

    Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 in conjunction with 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17. That would make a good first step. But you'd first have to overcome man's doctrine that says Christ's Olivet discourse isn't for the Church. Well, Jesus was speaking to the foundation of His Church giving that, and...
  8. Davy

    Church To Stay On Earth

    then you are in a small group of Pre-tribulationalists, because the majority of them accept Darby's brand of Dispensationalism about the Millennium too.
  9. Davy

    Church To Stay On Earth

    I am not lying. It's actually 'you' that is lying against the Scriptures with trying to support Pre-tribulationalism and Darby's theories of Dispensationalism. If you had actually understood the Luke 1:31-33 Scripture, you would have admitted that the kingdom Jesus reigns over will be... the...
  10. Davy

    Church To Stay On Earth

    Christ's "thousand years" reign with His elect will begin on the day of His return, which is the "day of the Lord". The new heavens and a new earth is not until after the "thousand years". The wicked who perish in the future "lake of fire" at the end of the "thousand years" won't see the new...
  11. Davy

    Church To Stay On Earth

    Nothing Biblical about a pre-trib rapture theory, so you've started right off on the wrong foot. Listen to Lord Jesus, not man. In Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, Lord Jesus showed that His coming to gather His Church is AFTER... the tribulation. And the gathering He said there links...
  12. Davy

    Church To Stay On Earth

    Not everything in Darby's theory of Dispensationalism is written in The Bible. His idea of the restored kingdom of Israel on earth while Christ and His Church reign from Heaven is not written anywhere in God's Word. Thus it is impossible... that you studied that idea from God's Word. I...
  13. Davy

    THE NEW COVENANT FOR ISRAEL

    For those who believe men's doctrine that the Church will reign from Heaven... How is this below going to be possible if Christ's Church is in Heaven, because the wicked "synagogue of Satan" certainly will not be in Heaven? Jesus said the below to the Church of Philadelphia... Rev 3:9 9...
  14. Davy

    Church To Stay On Earth

    As usual, nothing but secular humanist supposition, and nothing per God's written Word.
  15. Davy

    Who are the Saints?

    You are simply heeding a Catholic tradition of men, NOT an idea that comes from God in His Word. There simply are too many Scriptures in The New Testament Epistles that use the term "saints" when speaking to believers on Christ Jesus in a general sense for it to mean an elect within an elect...
  16. Davy

    Church To Stay On Earth

    That is specifically written by Apostle Paul... 1 Thess 4:14-15 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him. Paul is saying that if we believe Jesus rose from the dead then the resurrection of the dead is real. And those...
  17. Davy

    Church To Stay On Earth

    Right, that's what I mean by the Pre-tribulationalists wanting to have their cake and eat it too. The idea that when the kingdom of Israel is restored on earth when Jesus comes, and that means 'only' Israelites that did NOT believe, and then claiming the Israelites who 'did' believe are no...
  18. Davy

    Church To Stay On Earth

    That 'natural men' idea applied to restored Israel just isn't written. That's a dispensational theory by the same guy (Darby) who taught a pre-trib rapture in 1830's Britain. Christ's Church will be 'on earth' with Him during His future Millennial reign. The Ezekiel 44 chapter reveals the...
  19. Davy

    THE NEW COVENANT FOR ISRAEL

    Yes, that's pretty much what Jeremiah 30 is pointing to, because it speaks of the restoration of the house of Judah and house of Israel, which that didn't happen in Jeremiah's day. A mystery with the below admonition by God to Israel is though He said He will save them (those of them that...
  20. Davy

    BIBLE GOSPELS

    Yet we are never to forget what He chose Israel for, i.e., as servants in The Gospel of Jesus Christ to ALL nations and peoples. This is why The Gospel was first preached to Abraham (Galatians 3), and then passed down to Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh where it still is, and in which the...