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Exactly! I know mystical dualists must reject logic and it's basic principle of mutual exclusivity; that contradictions do not exist in reality. This principle is why alibi's in a crime scenario are vital to eliminating suspects.

It seems you are just asserting this as so. What would make the son - who is not explicitly identified as God anywhere in Scripture - less “God” than the only true God explicitly identified in Scripture, YHWH (who we relate to as our Father)?

Of course Jesus was created. Sons, by definition, are created beings.

Of course you have to make an Appeal to Subjectivism. The fact is, Christianity’s focus on the salvation of a single soul, the individual. The commands are individual and not collective. When Jesus says to help the poor, he does not mean to form an oligarchy with power to take the fruit of...

Challenge? Do you mean this? The biggest problem in America is not the unequal distribution of wealth but Cultural Marxists poisoning the fabric of society, appealing to people’s covetous nature. The solution is to give such people as little power as possible, starting with an austere...

The lesson to be learned from the story of Original Sin is faith in God is more important than knowledge. The whole idea of eating the fruit came from the devil, who appealed to Eve’s covetous desire to displace God. The devil appealed to her pride, her God complex that she could rule as good...

No, not entirely. To truly follow Christ requires discipline. Hence, the term disciple. One does not require discipline for what comes naturally. Christianity, therefore, is to go against nature, to choose to go with the supernatural Spirit of God. There is being saved. And there is being...

1st, it is not about what I call it. 2nd, you are speculating it would not be a contradiction. 3rd, you are accepting the concept that contradictions exist in reality OR 4th, there is nothing but subjective reality, depending on one's understanding.

It's so funny that their mystical dualism does NOT apply for them to inferring verses to mean the trinity is invalid. Hypocrisy. Double Standards. It is sad.

Some invent this elaborate fiction that he had it, laid it down when he became man, and then took it back up again. Trouble is explicit Scripture says otherwise at 1 COR 15:23-28. And of course, that is a total distraction from the point of this thread, which is the inequality of the 3 supposed...

:) I fully agree with Pearl's post. One thing I'd add is that changing the word to 'practice' allow us to expand God's grace. This is because begin sealed by the Spirit, we are more sensitive to those times we succumb to the passions of the flesh and ask for forgiveness more.

LOL A trinitarian invention, nowhere to be found in Scripture. It begs the question of who was Jesus praying to, who sent YHWH, told him what to say and how to say it? Who is greater than YHWH? Who knows more than YHWH? Who did YHWH submit to? And who raised YHWH from the dead?

You are totally promoting a subjective reality. Otherwise you would not tie reality to ones understanding of it. My question was not about anyones understanding. My question was conceptual, do contradictions exist in reality?

But Scripture explicitly says only the father is God. So, there is that.

You just deny logic and the principle of mutual exclusiveness. If all is for X, then none is for not-X. Trinitarians have to deny logic to advance their doctrine.

LOL. First born does not mean 'born before the rest.' That's powerful indoctrination for you. :rolleyes:

Perhaps you cannot acknowledge Rich's point that an image of something is never the thing itself.

You just took away the greatest accomplishment of our lord, to submit to the will of his God. If he did not have a choice, it does not counter the choice of Adam.

But not by Jesus. See the difference?

What a rationalization to disregard the divine council. No one is claiming the divine council had to be there at the beginning of Creation, only before the creation of man. See the difference?