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Satan, the master they have chosen when choosing false doctrines. The Nicolaitans practiced this perverted grace.

It has been my experience that if I happen to go out of the Spirit, the Spirit gets me in line immediately. It is called a super-sensitized conscience. It is much more comfortable IN the Spirit, believe me! And He makes it easy to stay. Those pinches hurt!

Well, why didn't you say so, I would have come running! :D

@BarnyFife and @marks Maybe this will help. Grace, itself, is divine power 2 Peter 1:2-4 But we receive it without merit on our part, just repentance of what we cannot do on our own. That is when Jesus gives us His own power, the Spirit, to make us born again with the laws of God written on...

It is called licentiousness.

The New Covenant was started with this: 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

No, that is the common misunderstanding. That is why Martin Luther claimed that even if he committed murder and adultery a thousand times a day, they would not separate him from the Father."

Grace is the Holy Spirit. The power in the Trinity. That is why the gifts of the Holy Spirit are called power gifts/charisma gifts. I abide in Jesus, and Jesus ABIDES IN ME. We are inseparable. I can't have some "force" without Jesus. And, btw, I am NOT a fan of Joel Olsteen.

What you may not be understanding about my view is that grace and Jesus are inseparable, just like Jesus and the Father are inseparable. Jesus is full of grace and truth, John 1:14 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the...

You're right. Without Jesus (like the person in 1 John 1:8) we cannot say we have no sin. A Christian who has repented 1 John 1:9 is the person in 1 John 1:7, and 1 John 3:9. Why can't you understand that - it is so simple. Verse 9 is in conjunction with verse 8.

It is not a straw man. There are those who believe unmerited favor is a license to sin. They did it in Jude's day, Jude 1:4, and they are still doing it today. Like Behold. What you may not be understanding about my view is that grace and Jesus are inseparable, just like Jesus and the Father...

No I do not believe in predestination for Gentiles. Only one nation or race was predestined, but even predestination doesn't ensure eternal life. Abraham's descendants through Isaac and Jacob were predestined to be God's chosen nation. And through God's foreknowledge, God knows who will go on to...

Yes, the "unmerited" is man-made upon wrong assumptions. You are right, we can't earn salvation, like keeping the Ten Commandments in our own human power. The law was holy, but it was SIN inside our old carnal nature that keeps the commandments from making us righteous, because the carnal...

Silly! This IS my understanding, you just had to receive it by the Spirit. If you still have the license to sin definition of Behold (I was shocked), which is "unmerited favor," not just "favor," know that is a doctrine of demons.

Hi Marymog, On the surface this has always been true, but for unintentional sins, even in the Old Testament. However, not all sins are venial (a Catholic phrase I only assume you are aware of by your Avatar), but mortal sins were not forgiven in the Old Testament, they were stoned to death...

BTW, I hate your definition of grace. #128 It is not the biblical definition. And I don't like cheap false grace either, what most false doctrines of demons are based on. Honestly, what I don't understand about you is that I know you've experienced grace, so why is it you haven't discerned its...

I think he means we have more freedom to chose rather than being controlled as a slave to a carnal nature. My beliefs are similar, except I do believe Jesus means for us to be sinless, and gives us His Spirit to accomplish that. Putting sinless and perfection together is wrong for those newly...

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I don't care for cheap grace either, and it stems from a wrong definition of grace, and the foundation of false doctrine.

Wrong!