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You wish!

I know you hope that is after your full lifetime, right?

I understand and agree. It IS conditional. I never received the Spirit in the first 30 years of going to church, but always claimed to be a Christian. Looking back, I wonder if I would have died, would I have gone to heaven during that period? Considering Romans 8:9, I don't think so. I'm a...

Yes, when you've been born again you KNOW it. It is not just a doctrine to believe and claim for yourself, but a life changing experience!

If it hasn't happened to you, then maybe you should clear your mind of all your past denominational dogmas and start over, asking the Father, the Author of His Word, to reveal the meaning of every verse He authored. I did, and He has been faithful to teach me the true meaning of His Words. My...

Yep, you get it!

That is what you don't understand. Not His "deity" but His glory. That is the reason He couldn't stay and remain with the disciples. He couldn't be inside all of them, because He couldn't be everywhere at once. But He could send His Spirit to all of us and baptize us with fire.

Possibly. I don't know what the doctrine of kenosis says. I just know what I believe and in my own words.

What do you think going from dead to life means? It means from eternal death to eternal life, thus salvation. But you are wrong if you think "nothing supernatural is going on"! To have your carnal desires suddenly change to righteous desires is nothing less than a miracle!

And WHEN was it that John beheld His glory? Do you remember reading about it? Matthew 17: Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became...

So now you accept kenosis????o_O

That reminded me of the 5th Trumpet after the Great Tribulation of Seals is over, and God's wrath begins with the 1st Trumpet. It is pure ignorance to believe the GT is God's wrath and Christians will not go through it.* Fifth Trumpet: The Locusts from the Bottomless Pit 9 Then the fifth angel...

I'm telling you what I believe. Seeing as I don't know the kenosis teaching, and how much is true, and how much may be false, I'm not "disguising" anything. It could be you just don't completely understand it, and just like how you were painting me, you are painting the kenosis doctrine with a...

I believe Jesus was God with us, no less God than the Father. However, for a short time in eternity He had to become man of flesh with a divine Spirit, and live perfectly, to be our example, and also to be able to die. God can't die, nor did Jesus' spirit. Just like true Christians live sinless...

If kenosis says Jesus was born with a carnal nature, then I am the opposite, but you won't acknowledge that. Open your mind! You only believe what you want to believe, and nothing else, making you very closed minded. Bye for now.

What I find interesting is how you degrade what the new birth is all about. Jesus was the FIRST of many brethren - children of God. We are no longer sinners. Do you believe that?

@Christophany My dear brother, you keep comparing me with something or someone else, when I am not like anyone I, myself, have ever heard of. :D

Nope. Not like JW at all. The Word was always GOD, not a god.

Here again, I stop and address. What is the truth is that Christ was BORN with a divine nature. Why? Because He was conceived with the seed of the Father. That is why He could not sin, and gave us the same power when He makes us born again. 1 John 3:9. So if you are not misreading the doctrine...

I don't know anything about what the kenosis theory is, but obviously whoever saw it and made the doctrine saw it in Scripture. What is truth is truth, and the Spirit will show it to more than one person who is being taught by the Spirit. What one of those people adds to Scripture is up to them...