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  1. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Isaiah says the same thing. Doesn't make him God. This is what prophets do; speak for God. Trinitarians are the ones twisting what Scripture says. For instance, this thread is not about Revelation about John 17:3. If Jesus is not the Father, then he is not the one true God.
  2. Wrangler

    Count The Cost

    Whoever said emotion is the sole basis of our relationship with God (or anyone)? A relationship with God is not merely very important. It is of the highest importance! This is the message of the Sh'ma, the most important commandment. It is not emotion only but action. If you truly love God, you...
  3. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    LOL There are some 20,000 singular pronouns in Scripture referring to God, e.g., me, I, his, him. When God told us in Is 45:5 I am Yahweh, and there is no other. There is no other Elohim besides me. Where do you get the idea of a plural god? Or do you think God was lying when he (singular) said...
  4. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Not Jesus. God is the 1st and the last. Jesus, speaking for God, received the revelation from God. See Rev 1:1.
  5. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    The opposite is the case. Consider these explicit teachings in the Bible compared to your doctrine. All glory to God (none to his servant Jesus as Acts 17:31 says). You shall have no other gods before me (singular), especially the trinitarian (plural) god. 'For us there is only one God, the...
  6. Wrangler

    Christians, Atheists & Agnostics

    Putting that aside, what is your religious beliefs? Have you always had these beliefs? I'm interested in how your experiences formed the you of this moment.
  7. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Again, the most anti-trinitarian book in the whole Bible, John also explicitly tells us at 20:31 that everything he wrote was to prove something other than the idea that Jesus is God; namely, that Jesus is God’s Anointed. So, it is funny to see trinitarians try to twist 1:1 – and indeed, his...
  8. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    No. Jesus never declared himself God. As far as the people wanting to stone him, it goes back to Who is the authority; 'people' or Scripture?
  9. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    So? He's still an angel, a messenger of God, speaking on God's behalf - no matter how he says it. And this has nothing to do with - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God.
  10. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    No. It is not in Scripture once. The fact that you have to again refer to a link tells the story of the support lacking. To avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit...
  11. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Sticking to the topic of the thread, is what I am doing. Again, there is not verse that identifies any God besides the Father. Doesn't it bother you that your doctrine is not explicitly stated in Scripture?
  12. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Right. An angel is not God. Why are you supposing that if they don't always give credit to God as the source of their words, it must mean they are God, even though they are an angel? We are not writing to you in anything resembling codes or riddles 2 Cor 1:13 (VOICE)
  13. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Copy and pasting is not an argument or a discussion. Dude! You are all over the place. This thread is about how Jesus said he has a God who is the only true God. (A consequence of that is if Jesus is not the Father, he is not God). You cannot acknowledge this. So, you feel obligated to sweep...
  14. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    The 1C is not you shall have no other devils besides Lucifer.
  15. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Amazing how you contradiction yourself from one sentence to the other. All angles and prophets speak on behalf of God, the word angel mean messenger. Isaiah said he is the 1st and last but that does not make him God.
  16. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Change in subject. Jesus says he has a God who is the only true God. Why is that not good enough for you?
  17. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    No, not really. He may have many titles but only one name - and it is not Jesus.
  18. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    In other words, you cannot admit there is no Scripture verse that actually says The Angel of The Lord is the same as God. It's the whole reason you have to defer to a website.
  19. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Still, an angel. The Angel of the Lord is a specific angel. My question was Can you at least admit that there is no Scripture verse that actually says The Angel of The Lord is the same as God? I guess the answer is no.