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  1. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    Pasting Scripture must be your way of sweeping the Scripture I referenced aside, denying Scripture that goes against your doctrine. Is it true that Scripture explicitly says that no one has seen God or not? A Biblical fact that is little advertised by trinitarians is that Jesus explicitly...
  2. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    To fit your doctrine, it has to be the case but god and angels are not the same form of life. Can you at least admit that there is no Scripture verse that actually says The Angel of The Lord is the same as God? It's so odd to suppose God sometimes goes by the name God and sometimes by the name...
  3. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    It's obvious what you suppose; mysticism. You suppose it regularly. That is why I worded my post the way I did, you suppose you are right DESPITE the lack of an explicit Scripture teaching it. Therefore, you foolishly suppose error (your error) can be true and (suppose) it is true while ALSO not...
  4. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Even by your own admission, you are saying that Beings other than God were worshipped.
  5. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    That's your doctrine speaking - independent of any Scripture supporting it! A is A. Angels are angels. Angels are not non-angels. What angels are there besides 'of the lord?'
  6. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    There you go again! The question is, Who is the authority; 'people' or Scripture?
  7. Wrangler

    Count The Cost

    How is very individualized. I meet people where they are and the conversation begins. For instance, recently I struck up a conversation with a coworker. He looked tired and I expressed concern, sympathy, compassion. This is HOW it begins. He opened up, letting me into his world. Feeling my...
  8. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    OK, RLT63. Let's break this down. Who is the authority; 'people' or Scripture? Simple question. Please answer it. This is what trinitarians do. Rather than answer a simple question, they blast many Scripture verses pretending any of the them support their doctrine but not one does. And...
  9. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    In other words, you cannot answer my question. Do you realize that others in Scripture were worshipped besides the one true God? Total red herring.
  10. Wrangler

    "The word was a god"?

    A Biblical fact that is little advertised by trinitarians is that Jesus explicitly stated he has a God himself (John 20:17, Mark 15:33) who is the only true God (John 17:3). What does this mean for other gods, like the trinitarian god? The most anti-trinitarian book in the whole Bible, John...
  11. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Who is the authority; 'people' or Scripture? Jesus does not teach the trinity. He does not teach us to pray to a trinitarian god but to a singular Being, who we relate to as Father. Jesus told us God is in heaven, while Jesus was on Earth. Not the same.
  12. Wrangler

    "The word was a god"?

    I use an anvil to do my work. Although an anvil is the agent through which my work is done, it is not me. Agents are not their patrons. No comment on the notion of Agency, huh? All things were created by God, not Jesus. See GE 1.
  13. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    And you take this to deny the trinity? Since they are one, that makes 2 that are 1, which a trinity does not make. Or do you take this as another way to deny the trinity, to literally mean 2 Beings are 1 Being? By the same token, 1 Corinthians 2:16 makes us Christ since we have his mind, and...
  14. Wrangler

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Correct. God, not Jesus, is referenced in John 1:! Correct, the will or logic or voice or words of was manifested in the flesh. Manifested is not the same thing as "is." My drivers license manifests my likeness but it is not me. What is manifested is God's logos, God's will, God's words, not...
  15. Wrangler

    "The word was a god"?

    Correct. God's word is not Jesus. Joe Biden's word is not Jesus, etc. Words are WHAT's not WHO's. In the human experience, detailed many times in Scripture, is the concept of agency. Prophets speak the word of God. It does not make them God. Agents of kings are not the king - even though they...
  16. Wrangler

    Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?

    Woah! If Scripture were to reference, Moe, Larry and Curly, it does not mean they are all god. Of course, 2 Corinthians 13:14 is Scripture but it is not a trinity statement; it does not say something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are...
  17. Wrangler

    "The word was a god"?

    Yes, the word of God became flesh, in fulfillment of Deut 18:15-18. What did not become flesh is God, himself. See the difference?
  18. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    The Father, who alone is God. You have to add words to Scripture to pretend your doctrine makes sense.\ Scripture explicitly says that no one has seen God - in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature - and multitudes have seen Christ. This is more proof text of the trinity being false. Every...
  19. Wrangler

    John 8:24, 28, 58 - Jesus Christ IS YHWH

    Just another way to ADMIT the trinity is NOT in the Bible - not the word and not the concept.
  20. Wrangler

    "The word was a god"?

    So, Jesus taught us to pray to a false God in heaven, who we relate to as Father? :eek: We are talking about the word of God, not Jesus, in John 1:1. So, it does not really matter if the figurative use of language contains - or is properly translated "a" god. The point is about the word of...