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  1. Wrangler

    The WRATH of God poured out on Christ … where?

    I guess our apologist approach does not mesh. Although the title has a question mark, you treat it as a statement that for some reason offense your sensibilities. And although post 102 was a question, it is and I will now put it in that form. Did you notice the question mark in the thread title?
  2. Wrangler

    I’m in a strange place: very conservative, but not Christian

    Said in attack mode. It is just as valid to say criticizing the arguments of atheist apologist is where the meat is at. I read a book last year entitled, Atheism on Trial. The author essentially said the arguments for atheism are the same as 2,400 years ago. At the end of the day, the evidence...
  3. Wrangler

    Data On The Trinity

    What takes imagination is that 3 is 1. It's not simple minded, it's nonsense. Fact is, 1 is 1 and 3 is 3 and 1 <>3.
  4. Wrangler

    The WRATH of God poured out on Christ … where?

    I don't get your 2 wrongs make a right approach. Worse, it seems that your premise is wrong. It seems like a question that deserves to be answered. (Note the question mark in the thread title).
  5. Wrangler

    I’m in a strange place: very conservative, but not Christian

    I'm glad you asked for my reply is prompted by the Holy Spirit. ;) 1st, being an apologist is not an option! We must always be ready to offer a defense of our hope. but exalt Him as Lord in your heart. Always be ready to offer a defense, humbly and respectfully, when someone asks why you live...
  6. Wrangler

    I’m in a strange place: very conservative, but not Christian

    Yet, you did not explain them. I don't think there is an easy explanation. The best explanation is context and the Bible being a highly figurative book. Our society interprets things much more literally than the smarter humans of yesteryear. Overall, God may not have regrets but he sure...
  7. Wrangler

    Is Jesus God Himself or God the Son?

    Because it is not in older manuscripts. Calling text added Scripture is not right.
  8. Wrangler

    Is Jesus God Himself or God the Son?

    That's all you got to say? Repeat a deliberate misinterpretation? How sad. I'll pray for you. 'Your throne, of God' is for ever and ever does not mean the the son is God. Notice how v2 NLT says God (in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature) promised everything to the Son. Notice how v5 says...
  9. Wrangler

    Is Jesus God Himself or God the Son?

    OK. This goes to show how desperate you are to rationalize the trinity and the man-is-god thesis. Consider comparisons to these explicit texts: 1C, You Shall Have No gods Before Me. (Singular Pronoun). Most especially, this includes the trinitarian god. The Sh'ma, the most important...
  10. Wrangler

    Is Jesus God Himself or God the Son?

    Appeal to Strawman. I said neither the word nor the concept is in the Bible. Why can't you fully agree there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do...
  11. Wrangler

    Is Jesus God Himself or God the Son?

    The trinity is not in the Bible. Sorry you’re seeing the trinity in your corn flakes, clouds and monotheist text. To be clear, when I write that the trinity is not found anywhere in Scripture, I mean that neither the word nor the concept of the trinity is explicitly in the Bible. To avoid the...
  12. Wrangler

    The WRATH of God poured out on Christ … where?

    Evidence. The person making the positive claim has the burden of evidence in support of the claim. For some reason, you are supposing a claim void of evidence.
  13. Wrangler

    Is Jesus God Himself or God the Son?

    Do you realize the KJV translation is wrong at 1 John 5:7-8KJV?
  14. Wrangler

    Data On The Trinity

    Imagine what it would be like to impose trinitarian doctrine onto monotheist text. That’s the basis of your claim.
  15. Wrangler

    Is Jesus God Himself or God the Son?

    praise worthy, to be sure but not infallible. The problem with the KJV is the FROM and the TO. Fact is, we know more about older manuscripts and the ancient language than they did. And they had no knowledge of the 21st century American language we speak. The KJV Bible is the greatest book...
  16. Wrangler

    Is Jesus God Himself or God the Son?

    God is never called the son. You are deliberately misinterpreting half Millenia old language O’ God to fit your doctrine. Read more accurate translations made in the last 50 years to grasp a proper rendering of this one verse. God says he is the only God over and over again. Scripture says God...
  17. Wrangler

    Data On The Trinity

    The trinity is not in the Bible. No one taught the trinity in Scripture - not Moses, not Malachi, not Jesus. Sad that you resort to such ludicrous claims since everyone knows the Jews are monotheists, who reject the trinity to this day AND Jesus was a monotheist Jew.
  18. Wrangler

    Data On The Trinity

    Friend, the truth is the EXACT opposite as God is referred to about 5,000 times using singular pronouns. Any reference to plurality would have to measure up against that mountain of evidence.
  19. Wrangler

    Data On The Trinity

    Friend, the truth is the EXACT opposite as God is referred to about 5,000 times using singular pronouns. Any reference to plurality would have to measure up against that mountain of evidence.
  20. Wrangler

    Is Jesus God Himself or God the Son?

    KJV is not saying what you want it to say. In modern lingo, this throne of mine is yours forever. Don’t forget, Hebrews is quoting Psalms, referring to David’s throne, anointed by God to last forever. The son is in the line of David, yes?