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  1. Wrangler

    When the Bible says, "Dead", what does it mean?

    Words have objective meaning and do not change based on being in one book or another. Dead means the end of life. It's quite simple. Some mean it literally while others use it metaphorically. It's amazing that you feel the need to start a whole thread on common words. "In the beginning God" If...
  2. Wrangler

    The LORD Called the Unbelieving and Disobedient People Fools = Jeremiah 17;11, Matthew 7;26-27

    Is there a point to the OP, a question on the horizon?
  3. Wrangler

    Believing in yourself means having the courage to stand on your own two feet

    This is a tough one that I struggled with for decades myself. It's about grace. When you realize the weight of the consequences of choices you and others make, your heart is crushed as you KNOW you (or they) failed to meet your own standards and have failed to live up to your own expectations...
  4. Wrangler

    Believing in yourself means having the courage to stand on your own two feet

    You cannot believe this. That is, you cannot believe 'I'm aware of more things' is NOT a change over time. You cannot believe this. That is, you cannot believe that being more aware of more things over time does not increase what you are able to perceive now compared to when you had your...
  5. Wrangler

    Believing in yourself means having the courage to stand on your own two feet

    Agreed. I agree and personally and passionately hate such prosylitizers (who rely on coercion). Yet, I suspect for some people, these denominations who so prosylitize do attract and save some who would otherwise not be saved.
  6. Wrangler

    Believing in yourself means having the courage to stand on your own two feet

    Wow! Another idea that deserves its own thread! Science answers the question HOW? Religion answers the question WHY? Science's focus is the material, outer world. Religion's focus is the spiritual, inner world. What scientists choose to focuses on is subjective, not objective; it is a choice...
  7. Wrangler

    Believing in yourself means having the courage to stand on your own two feet

    Yes, many times. I am a big Star Trek fan. There is an episode of TNG where Data is talking to Commander Riker about love in relationships and how painful it is when the reality does not meet the initial hope. He asked if that is the risk of having such relationships. Riker smiled and said...
  8. Wrangler

    Believing in yourself means having the courage to stand on your own two feet

    Really? You mean to say that you are not more aware of the world around you now than your first memory?
  9. Wrangler

    Believing in yourself means having the courage to stand on your own two feet

    Great point! The way I see the flowering of denomination is the beauty of God tailoring a different focus that appeals to different groups. No religion has such flowering of denominations to cater to the preferences as Christianity. Many denominations are more culturally driven than doctrinal...
  10. Wrangler

    Believing in yourself means having the courage to stand on your own two feet

    In another thread, I provided 5 proofs of God. Proofs of god's existence I do hope you give this some consideration, starting with what you expect to be indicative of a Creator? (I don't want to hijack this thread. Perhaps you can join the conversation in that thread).
  11. Wrangler

    Believing in yourself means having the courage to stand on your own two feet

    Very good point! We know ourselves. We have to have faith in God.
  12. Wrangler

    Believing in yourself means having the courage to stand on your own two feet

    You are absolutley right! Why believe? I know you meant it as a rhetorical question but that question deserves it's own thread. If I were to write a book about religion, chapter 1 would be entitled, "Why Believe?" The basic answer is no one can effectively function without believing what they...
  13. Wrangler

    Believing in yourself means having the courage to stand on your own two feet

    I guess my sarcasm can be a bit too subtle. Yet, my answer yielded this contradiction & confession. We need to meet people where they are. I'll write a separate post on this. Very true.
  14. Wrangler

    Believing in yourself means having the courage to stand on your own two feet

    Wow. That's insightful. How would you rank your happiness and contentment now? Also, what is your overall religious beliefs?
  15. Wrangler

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Divine, in the sense of being ‘of God but not a deity. The Messiah is a Hebrew title that in Greek means Christ, which in English means Anointed. Jesus is the Christ. Jesus is the Anointed. His very title informs us that he is the passive object. Who did the Anointing? The same who selected...
  16. Wrangler

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    Are you even aware that the passage does NOT say that God became flesh? WHAT became flesh, not WHO.
  17. Wrangler

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Wrong. Jesus’ great I am was admitting he was the Messiah, not God incarnate. See Mark 14:62-62.
  18. Wrangler

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    You are so desperate to get a foothold you appeal to mere possibilities translates into undeniable axioms. It is not possible because God is immortal and flesh is not. Hence, references to forms. My cookie jar is in the form of a bear but it’s nature remains a cookie jar, not changed to a...
  19. Wrangler

    Believing in yourself means having the courage to stand on your own two feet

    Believing in yourself means having the courage to stand on your own two feet Hmmm. This is the first I heard it is Satanic. Scripture says 'seek and you shall find' and I think 'stand on your own two feet' is just another way of expressing the idea that YHWH wants you to be all you can be...
  20. Wrangler

    The Insanity of the "right" to have guns!

    I never understood hunting until I moved to Michigan. And just this week, I was reminded of the ongoing value to society of hunters. As I got off the highway, a deer ran onto the off-ramp, saw me out of its periphial vision and stopped - right in my way. Fortunately, he ran off in the nick of...