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  1. Wrangler

    The real Jesus

    I did answer. Did you consult a lexicon? Death is the end of life. Jesus death on the cross means his life ended on the cross. This transformation, this change, is not an attribute of a deity. The fact that Jesus died is proof text he is not God. In fact Acts 3:15 and many other verses point...
  2. Wrangler

    A Discussion About Truth

    Oh. Sorry. I haven't followed this thread very closely lately. I saw the pic and replied.
  3. Wrangler

    The real Jesus

    NOTICE, the lowercase lord? In Scripture, capital LORD is synonymous with God. Lowercase Lord pertains to dozens. In referencing 1 COR 8:6, you left out the beginning of the verse. Not only does the beginning of the verse explicitly identify the Father as the one God ... It also clarifies...
  4. Wrangler

    The Insanity of the "right" to have guns!

    Not relevant to the God-given right of self defense.
  5. Wrangler

    A Discussion About Truth

    If Jesus were God, why is it important to come to the Father? It's odd that a triune being would parse hisself like that. Or parse himself ever, including this. Yet, there are many such verses. 1 Corinthians 15:27 For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.”[a] (Of...
  6. Wrangler

    The real Jesus

    No! There are dozens of lords in Scripture and Jesus is one. He is the sole master of those who follow him. This does not make him the Creator of all. See Psalm 110:1.
  7. Wrangler

    The real Jesus

    Agh, the word game ploy. Dead means the end of life, not a type of ongoing life. Feel free to consult your favorite lexicon.
  8. Wrangler

    The real Jesus

    This is an exclamation not a statement of fact. When I drop my toast, butter side down, I am not actually making the claim that my toast is feces.:p
  9. Wrangler

    The real Jesus

    Right. That God is the Father, not Jesus, is OT & NT knowledge. 'For us, there is one God, the Father.' 1 COR 8:6 The problem is, you are starting with your doctrine - not found anywhere in Scripture - and trying to impose it onto text that does not support it. So, you have to resort to...
  10. Wrangler

    The real Jesus

    Just because Being B looks like Being A does not mean they are the same Being. Trinitarians always have to make these bizarre assumptions because the explicit words of Scripture goes against their doctrine. Jesus said he has a God, who is the only true God and he never taught the trinity...
  11. Wrangler

    The real Jesus

    Dead is dead. Scripture does not say part of him died. You are adding to Gods word to fit your doctrine.
  12. Wrangler

    The real Jesus

    No. Logic is not your strong suit Mr Next. P1.The lord God is spirit. P2. Jesus is a man, flesh. C. Jesus is not God You are deliberating confusing ‘the’ with ‘my’ or ‘our’ lord. The lord created the universe. Our lord is the firstborn of said creation. Hope this help Mr. Next.
  13. Wrangler

    The real Jesus

    Right. Reflecting the LORD God YHWH does not make Jesus or us God.
  14. Wrangler

    The real Jesus

    Akin to John 4:24, God is Spirit. Jesus is flesh. Not God.
  15. Wrangler

    The real Jesus

    Wrong. You say this as if God’s glory on Earth was not seen with Moses or Gods voice did not announce Jesus was his son, in whom he was well pleased. Also, Numbers explicitly says God is not a man.
  16. Wrangler

    The real Jesus

    Di you realize how ambiguous this is compared to there is one God, the Father in 1 COR 8:6? If you see a picture of me, it is not me, even though you know what I. look l Like. Do you ever ask if Jesus being God is so important, why Scripture isn’t as clear as 1 COR 8:6?
  17. Wrangler

    The real Jesus

    Not relevant to the point that he died as this is THE defining characteristic he lacks in being the eternal God who never does.
  18. Wrangler

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    LOL. In the other thread on gun rights there is the constant demand to limit the analysis to the NT. No reference to Jesus being the Father. Rather, he prays to the Father and submits to his will and says and does what the Father wills. Funny how trinitarians can’t keep their own argument...
  19. Wrangler

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    So said the prophet Isaiah. That is what prophets do, speak for God. It does not make them God.
  20. Wrangler

    The Nature of Jesus Christ

    Jesus died. Proof that he is not God. Only a trinitarian mystic could think it is not as simple as that.