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Praise belongs to Jesus Christ alone, not anyone else including Mary. This is blasphemy! You are deceived! Mary worship is not taught anywhere in scripture. You are believing in a doctrine of demons who would like nothing more than for us to not give Jesus all the praise as He deserves. I am...

That's a lot of speculation on your part. Paul says no such thing. So, are you then saying that you think there will be a series of rapid trumpet blasts at that time right before the last trumpet sounds? If not, then in what sense exactly will the last trumpet be the last trumpet to sound? It's...

You just say things while doing NOTHING to back them up. What is the point of that? Are you saying that the bema seat rewards are given at the seventh trumpet or that they are given out before that? The text indicates that they are given out after the seventh trumpet sounds. There is nothing...

Scripture repeatedly teaches that all unbelievers will be killed when Jesus returns. Since all believers will have immortal bodies when He comes again (1 Cor 15:22-23;50-54) and all unbelievers will be killed, that does not leave any mortals to populate the earth for a supposed thousand year...

There are 7 trumpets referenced in the book of Revelation. The 7th one is obviously the last one. In what sense is the last trumpet actually the last trumpet to sound in your view?

LOL. You say this despite not offering any proof to back up your claim. Weak. You expect to come here, make claims and don't allow them to be challenged. That is ridiculous. I don't know why some of you are even here. You somehow don't think debate is allowed on this forum. You are completely...

In your view the last trumpet is not actually the last trumpet, so I can't take your view seriously. It should be clear that the last trumpet is the last prophetic trumpet and that will be the seventh trumpet. Our bodies being changed to be immortal will be a reward for us, right? What happens...

I thought you said you believe NOSAS? Wrong. You are completely clueless. Amils interpret symbolic text as symbolic and literal text as literal. Premils often get the two mixed up. The foundation of the Amil doctrine is on literal, straightforward scriptures that you don't accept. Such as...

Hmmm. I don't really understand what you're saying. What would be helpful is if you were able to tell me your understanding of the amount of time you think is involved with the vials? I'm not asking for an exact amount of time because that isn't given. But, some idea. Keeping in mind what it...

Okay. I don't know why that possibility didn't occur to me at the time, but it's all good. I have come to the conclusion that debating things related to salvation on an end times forum isn't worth the time unless it does relate to end times somehow. But, I see no reason to debate it here. David...

You only had mentioned pretribs, not pretrib scholars specifically. I would think that most pretribs (not just pretrib scholars) do agree with Ice's interpretation of 2 Thessalonians 2:3.

Where does it mention that any mortals survive Armageddon? Revelation 19:15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh...

Yes, they disregard his teaching about that as well. He deserves more respect than that. He knew what he was talking about. But, some people think they understand the OT better than he did.

I think Peter is pretty trustworthy, too, when it comes to end times doctrine. :gd As for Paul, though, I've seen a disturbing trend where some people disregard what he taught about end times doctrine as if he didn't have the full revelation and didn't really know what he was talking about in...

He takes it personally any time his view is challenged. I was not making things personal at all. I was just showing how what he said about the day of the Lord doesn't agree with what scripture says about the day of the Lord. I don't know why anyone would come here to debate scripture if they...

Translation: you don't want to deal with how 1 Thess 5:2-3 doesn't support what you said about the day of the Lord. To get around that and distract from that, you're attempting to make things personal.

Of course. We all believe that. Context is important. You miss that the context of that statement is in relation to unbelievers, as other verses show. But, you'd rather form a doctrine out of that one verse while ignoring the rest of scripture. So be it. I obviously disagree that the verse...

Well, since you believe that then I need to reconsider my view on that. I'm kidding. I hope you have a sense of humor. I'm not sure if you do. I've never seen any evidence for that. But, here's hoping.... I find it hard to figure why you think premil is true. At least your version of it, which...

I didn't consider that possibility, but you could be right. I'll let him clarify. Anyway, my only purpose in this thread is to prove that David's claim is wrong when you look at the verse from the amil perspective regardless of whether OSAS or NOSAS is true. He is using that as an excuse to...

What are you talking about? Can you reconcile your belief with 1 Thess 5:2-3 or not? What you call a gotcha question serves the purpose of reflecting a weakness in your doctrine and you don't like that. Yeah. And..? I'm just helping you to see a hole in your doctrine. I thought you said you...