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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Premils won't understand the amil view until they understand this.

    Do you acknowledge that we are priests of God and of Christ now? Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The Rapture Cover-up

    Everything? I don't know what you're reading, but you are missing something very obvious here for whatever reason. 1 Thess 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Where is that indicated? Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: How can these mortal "survivors of the tribulation" inherit the kingdom of God when Paul made it...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Again, I believe that is only referring to the devil being tormented and the mention of the beast and false prophet also being there is a parenthetical statement. Why can't you acknowledge that prophetic beasts are kingdoms and not human beings? Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Pretrib was already buried in this thread many pages back. After all this discussion, there's still no exegesis of any scripture to be found from any of them.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    He gets bogged down on stuff like this and ignores the explicit, straightforward scripture we use to support our view. He uses things like this as a distraction from his own weak doctrine that he can't support with scripture.
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Do you deny that being cast into the lake of fire does not imply that whatever is cast there will be tormented forever? Unless you think that death and hell will be tormented forever. If the idea of death and hell being tormented forever supported your premil view, then you would probably...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Yet, you decided to go ahead with your weak argument, anyway? Why? Where does it say the false prophet is tormented forever? I know some translations say they will be tormented forever, implying that Satan, the beast and false prophet will all be tormented forever, but that is not how it is...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The Rapture Cover-up

    What is indicated in 1 Thess 4:14-17 is that all believers are caught up to meet Christ at the same time. That is obvious. I don't know who taught you the nonsense that you believe, but your view is far from the truth.
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The Rapture Cover-up

    I have no concern about that. But, thanks for your concern.
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    You are a prophet. He's still trying to make that weak argument. He's so predictable.
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Why do you take that so literally? Even death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire (Rev 20:14). What does that tell you about how literally you should take the concept of being cast into the lake of fire? Can you explain why you interpret a highly symbolic book like Revelation, which was...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    In heaven, of course. And in the hearts of His people (Holy Spirit is also called the Spirit of Christ). Your understanding of what it means for Him to reign is flawed. Do you not accept what the following passages teach? Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Another reason that the beast "is" when John wrote the book is because one of the beasts heads "is" at that time after five of them had previously fallen (Revelation 17:10). So, it can't be the case that the beast didn't exist or was completely incapacitated at the time John wrote the book...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    LOL. You are always trying to find a way around things. Are death and hell going to be tormented forever in the lake of fire? Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Yes, of course! Why are you acting as if you've never talked to Amils about this before? We don't see his binding as you do. How can you not know that by now? You interpret a dragon being bound with a chain in a bottomless pit/prison literally as if Satan, a spirit being, can be literally...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    There's more than just one way to look at Revelation 20. You try to force amils to prove something about Revelation 20 using your terms, which is ridiculous. You want us to prove amil with YOUR futurist understanding of the beast, a literal 42 months, the binding of Satan and so on, which is...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Of course, kingdom have kings. I didn't say otherwise. But, prophetic beasts themselves refer to kingdoms. Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The Rapture Cover-up

    It's not an assumption. Just read the text and it's clear as can be that the rapture occurs at His second coming. It's not up for debate. 1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The Rapture Cover-up

    Yep. And brethren can rebuke brethren. Can we only love each other by patting each other on the back and singing Kumbaya together? Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love. Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.