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Nice flaming attempt to demand trinitarian interpretation. V17 clarifies these are 2 beings and God alone is the Father - as every epistle states. Hope that helps. To: Those who, through the righteousness of our God and of our Deliverer Yeshua the Messiah, have been given the same kind of...

No one said anything about rejecting Jesus as our Savior and master. It is just that the only God is Jesus' God as Jesus himself said at John 17:3. What do you say about that?

LOL, If this were true there would be no Great Schism and no Reformation movement.

God has already told us. His word is written. Nowhere is the doctrine of the trinity. There is no verse that declares Jesus is just as divine as His Father, who alone is God. Jesus himself says God is greater than him, knows more than him, sent him, told him what to say and referred to his God...

That is where you are totally wrong. Everything in the passage prohibits God being triune! Logic Definition Language Usage The verse does not say anything about the Father! It refers to God, in his unitarian nature. This unitarian God made Jesus something is what the passage says. Trinitarians...

You can call me whatever you want. The fact is, considering the Bible in its entirety, it is all written by monotheist Jews who reject the trinity to this day. This explains why the trinity is not in the Bible. The doctrine of the trinity is so important, not one of the 66 books spells out the...

Yes, John 20:31 explains how everything he wrote is to prove Jesus is the Messiah. Logically this means, NOTHING he wrote can be take to prove anything else.

Contradictions are not both true.

Option 3 is illogical. The subject of sentences are not the object of sentences. God does the acting. Jesus is acted upon. These are not the same Being. To support your doctrine, you have to abuse language. '<God> <made> <Jesus both Lord> and <Christ>' is analogous to other expressions we...

Curtis, Thank you for this outstanding analysis. I eagerly await Mungo's petulant reply. Peter

Contradictions are not both true. But that is dualism for you! In my experience trinitarians deliberately conflate the one and only LORD God, almighty, our Father, with the many lords of the Bible. Yes, Jesus is our lord; a lord among many in the monotheist Bible. This makes them unconsciously...

Not myopic. Just proper application of context. I don’t reject the beginning of the most anti-trinitarian book of the Bible. The only God is Jesus’ God. Jesus said this in 17:3.

That’s just it. You did nothing of the kind, confusing explicit with figurative, etc. I’ve explained before that the whole reason trinitarians MUST blast so many verses is their doctrine is not contained as an explicit teaching. That leaves synthesizing whatever you want from any snipets.

Thank you. Logic. Being the son of God, necessarily means one is not God. Excellent use of Scripture and logic.

All prophets speak the word of God. This does not make this God. Oh, so sorry. This thread is about who appealed to God on the cross. What is your answer?

It's sad that you keep invoking John 1:1 when you know John 20:31 says everything he wrote was to prove something else.

The trinity is not in the Bible. Not sure how you come to the conclusion of the fact of Jesus' divinity but I remind you that Jesus died. And before that, he talked about his God. How does your flesh - and Spirit - accept that fact?

Good take-away. Revelations is a notoriously figurative book. I appreciate those who can decipher meaning from it.

Amicus Plato. Amicus Aristotle sed magis amica veritas. Newton “Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my greatest friend is truth.”

It's such a great point and stunning contrast. On the one hand, they claim to be the ultimate moral authority on Earth. On the other hand, pedophilia is epidemic. Only unbridled arrogance can achieve such contrast.