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lol We got him on the run now.....he thinks he is sinless....lol or he thinks he sins and by his own estimation is not going to make it to heaven either because he is sinner...vicious circle if you do not know the truth.

Only the Saints of God inherit eternal life, not sinners. Oh my Giuliano! Can we have fun with this statement.....!???

Then you are saying you do not think it is particularly important one way or another? Never said anything like that.... You say, you do not think it is particularly important one way or the another? "it" it...is essential, whether it is the filling of the Holy Spirit or the speaking in...

What do you bet we can find scriptures that tell of that. I do not see any suggestion that it happened all the time. As today.....the Holy Spirit is always involved, not necessarily in tongues and interpretations. Nor is tongues required for the fullfillness of salvation.

Giuliano! What have ya done to the poor guy! You have chopped his head off and he is chasing his tail! Watch what he does next!

Freedom of Religion....the constitutional guard against religious fanaticism. The people on this forum put up with a lot, and not just on this forum. Those that attribute all the characteristics of Satan to God....Calvinists. There are people that deny the deity of Christ...and say there is no...

Don't waste your time....The posts before this have lists of scriptures that are a true testament of the truth. The scriptures are listed, the beliefs of the early Church are listed, The beliefs of the Early Church Fathers are listed. the Ecumenical Councils stand, All of Christian history...

I am not directly saying you are guilty; I am making a point. But you are looking at the ritual and not what it represents No, I am looking at both the spiritual significance of the ritual and what it represents....What you are trying to do is write scriptures. The posts before this have lists...

My points are that it is not necessary for salvation, My point is that your point is not biblical and unheard of until someone, around 1500 or 1600 years after Christ decided go against the scriptures. it shouldn't be forced on people (as it was to one member on this board in another thread)...

The epistles and letters address many things but Acts are those things in motion. Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:41 So then, those who had...

First off I would not agree with that.

Did not say it was a hard question.

Are you forgetting that I know you.....you ask these Hypothetical questions with a grin your face. As it is I am the only one that I know that has a Baptismal Certificate with Christ's signature as the officiating baptizer. Flew in first class on a Boeing 737...Lord know he was holding it up...

Sure. the man who water baptized them was crucified for them. Happy?

Should have planned better.

Here is another response from an ECF Who should Baptize…. Tertullian For concluding our brief subject, it remains to put you in mind also of the due observance of giving and receiving baptism. Of giving it, the chief priest (who is the bishop) has the right: in the next place, the presbyters...

Why did Paul say I came not to baptize. You would have to ask him that. I seem to recall him saying that He was glad that he did not baptize a group of people. There was a concern in the biblical era and beyond who was baptizing.

Seems too me a lot of members on this forum place faith in their water baptism being the foundation of their salvation? I know of none. What if the one performing your baptism was a pagan worshiping a pagan god I would recommend against that....

Well you shocked me. As smart as you are, I would never consider you would come up with such a thing. This is a topic that is near and dear to my heart. Besides it being biblical and an age old foundational belief it is one of the topics that has fractured Christ's church....Which I consider a...

What....you think I was to hard on you? I expect a lot from you.