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again, FOR does not always mean in order to recieve, Not in scripture or in english So to claim it MUST mean in order to recieve, Y9u have to show in other areas where that is true? I am redeemed by the blood. Not by water baptism. You want to try to redeem yourself in water, Feel free.. Me...

Salvation has been by grace through faith since the beginning of time. Jesus who is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. did not make it harder for the NT people to be saved by adding water baptism. thats a little silly if you ask me

Nope. Peter did not say this, Thats your english interpretation of what Peter said. The greek does not allow for that. In the greek Peter told EVERYONE to repent and they will recieve the gift of the spirit (2nd person plural) He told certain induviduals to be baptized, for the remission of...

The term translated "for" does always mean in order to receive, this is a fallacy of seing the word for and assuming it always means in order to get. When it not only does not mean that in the greek (eis) but it does not mean it in english

Nah I just want to do what the tax collector did and get on my knees, And cry out to God to show mercy on me a sinner, out of becoming Bankrupt in spirit. And let God save me through the washing (baptism) and renewal (new birth) of the holy spirit. Then after all of this. I want to do what God...

I would have told them what Peter told them Repent, and you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit. and let every one of you (who recieved the gift) be baptized for (because you have recieved) the remission of sin

Rome is a church that came out of a paganized form of Christianity formed by Constantine. We know for a fact Rome also destroyed any information of any doctrine they considered heresy. so even if you do not think Rome was pagan, to use the claim no one ever taught eternal security because you...

I agree, People love to spin things, I think those who hate OSAS are in effect are just hating calvinistic teachings, Since they hate fatalism, and since OSAS is a fatalistic view in their minds, Well then they have to reject it at all cost. Like you said, I prefer to go with just using modern...

The pagan church you refuse to discuss, is the church that forced all people to believe what they did, And destroyed any documents or books which did not agree with them Again, I go with what the word said, because it is the inspired word of God. Your trust in history is misled.

Yeah it did He was baptized for the same reason Arron and his sons were baptised. To be a witness that he is to be the one sent from God. Not to save him However, if as you claim WATER baptism is essential. and you use jesus baptism as the example. you are in fact claiming he ws saved by his...

Acts 2: 38 is perfectly fine. If properly interpreted. why would I want it to go away?

Misrepresent his words? I posted his words in John 3. He never mentioned baptism. So he would not contradict himself and add it in Mark Ahh. So jesus needed baptized to be saved? :(

John 3 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever BELIEVES shall never perish but has eternal life. He who believes has life he who does not believe shall not see life but the wrath of God abides in him Mark 16 is either talking about spirit baptism. or most...

Its ok Jesus taught it John confessed we can know we have it All the disciples confirmed it. Just because a pagan church rejected it does not mean it is not fact.

Its so sad we have perverted a word to the point we can not interpret scripture correctly

1. No one ignores it 2. true believers interpret it correctly as written in Greek 3. True believers also do not try to replace the baptism of God with the baptism of man, which would be considered blasphemy of the spirit. Be warned.

Not different at all. He told us to walk away from them also. To ask them to leave. and not come back until they repented. He never said top execute them

Jesus told the disciples if they do not listen to you, to walk away, as you leave the town, wipe the dust off your feet. he never said to execute them. that Catholic Church did he opposite of what Christ said to do.not to mention, they destroyed and perverted his teachings, anyway, I ramble...

This is why I have no desire to continue You THINK you have all the answers. You have no desire to discuss the word. Just push your view. Which shuts down all real discussion Good day. I asked you to keep your Tude in check. You failed.

You seem to like to tell me what I have to do Nothing in the passage states it is a paradigm anyway, that is your view. I do not agree with it, let’s leave it at that, I have no desire to continue with you