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1. Paul was not talking about induvidual salvation 2. Every argument God made was to show Israel was not chosen because frommans wisdom, but he chose his own way, I have done “both it” from both the fatalistic perspective and the non fatalistic perspectives and only in the non fatalistic view...

Whatever my friend yes it about osas the passage you gave states those born of god do his will. It does not support NOSAS

no, that’s not the point. Once again, the law is not part of what I want you to see..anyway, Never mind, I see why you seem to think you can lose salvation now. You do Not understand what a person actually has to become to come to faith, so it would easily see why you think they could lose faith

Well if you think God dragged you against your will as your tried to stand still and kept fighting him as you were skinned alive being dragged across the pavement, well feel free I saw in your testimony God setting you up. Putting you in position where you were forced to chose. Andled you by...

Your question is a distraction from the issue. You tell me, He never knew them, Meaning they were never saved. And just because they did works in his name, were they true works? Jesus said they practiced sin. And yeah it is relevant. you take the passage as a whole.

I think the point is we can’t come to God period, I am not sure why keep keep trying to insert the law. It was not anything to do with the law. and it was not showing us we can’t approach for the law. The law showed us why we can’t approach, and what must be done (shedding of innocent blood)...

If my hope is in my ability to keep trusting, my hope is in self, that’s no hope or assurance, that’s setting yourself up for failure

I did not ignore it. I properly interpreted it. Why do you skip the next verse? 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your...

I do not fight it at all, I agree with it. All of Gods children has done his will. And continue to do his will. That passage is descriptive. It describes his children. It is not prescriptive. If your going to fight for scripture at least interpret it correctly. otherwise your fighting scripture

Just seperated? What would happen if they touched the mountain? Were they able to enter the holy of Holies?

so that is what brings me to christ. the fear of sinning? Ex 19: 10 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Go to the people and consecrate them today and tomorrow, and let them wash their clothes. 11 And let them be ready for the third day. For on the third day the Lord will come down upon Mount Sinai...

A dead person can not do anything, He cant walk he cant talk, he cant think, he cant sleep or eat. he cant reason, He cant be brought to repentance, or chose to reject in sin, He cant do anything So using this as an example to prove your point is taking the term death and applying to a living...

Anyone is able to see that though, If Not Jesus would not tell everyone this is what they must do..

Is this true? I do not see this. I think again it goes way deeper than this. If fear is only to keep us from sinning, then it never worked. And if this is the only reason we come to Zion we are lacking.. What was the fear? Why did they fear God? What was God trying to teach them (and us)...

this makes no sense If our hope is not secured if we could lose what our hope is based on. This is what John told us in Chapter 5 of his 1st epistle. That we may KNOW WE have eternal life. and by this continue to have faith. Faith is based on this hope. There is no faith if hope can be lost...

I think I am talking about more of being in the, wanting to be my own god, to submit to now one, to go from my natural state as God leads me to changing this mindset to that of acknowledging I am a sinner, I am bankrupt (poor in spirit) God is not who I thought he was, as my own God I have...

Prayers. Be safe!

Actually Jesus also said one must become poor in spirit the greek word their is broken, bankrupt, a beggar. One only comes to this point through repentance.

Before? just asking, question, how can one come to faith unless they repent (change their mind)

And how do we overcome? 1 John 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith 5. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? all who are born of God have overcome, it was their faith...