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  1. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    And interpreting the scriptures correctly take the work of the Holy Spirit....That is why we have thousands of correct denominations?
  2. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    God's power is everywhere, our power is not. All things are possible with the Lord. History...Generally speaking....OT and NT...when God wants something done, He assigns champions and they have always had their faults. Christ came because a human champion would not due.
  3. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    I am saying we live in reality. It is like people think that Christ came down and certified one translation over another. And I will say, to larger conversation that not keeping it in the real is going to make Christianity look like a fairy tale to the younger people. Cavemen and dinosaurs are...
  4. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    I am sure that the modern publishers do better than the KJV. If by chance you go to a yard sale and find one of the Adulterer's Bibles, or the Vinegar Bible, or the Murmurer's Bible, or the Wife hater's Bibles, Drinker's Bible etc...they are very valuable. And the companies that published them...
  5. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    legitimate Bible publishers are much too careful to let this happen because they know they're dealing with God's Word, not just another book. You do know that is joke...right!
  6. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    *GH, you speak with such authority as though you KNOW these things, almost as if you were there! But you're not THAT old. Hey I am old! And smarter than your average bear! :oops: *Did you read the scripture I quoted?? Paul said that His message was not a "human message," but was "the...
  7. Grailhunter

    Significant dates of Christ - Frankincense - Are the customs Pagan? Dinners around the world!

    The three treasures of the Magi Matthew 2:11 After coming into the house they saw the Child with Mary His mother; and they fell to the ground and worshiped Him. Then, opening their treasures, they presented to Him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Isaiah 60:6 “A multitude of camels will...
  8. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    *We really don't know what was quoted orally early on Are you talking of the Old Testament or New Testament? *Of course, all of the epistles were initially written, so I'm not sure how this could be part of the oral tradition only. Are you thinking of a printing press a UPS delivery, or an...
  9. Grailhunter

    All Things Are Lawful Unto Me

    1st Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify. NASB All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. KJB I have the right to do anything,”...
  10. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    @Prayer Warrior @Giuliano *I don't believe that OT prophets usually went into a trance when the Spirit moved on them. That is why it takes a little history to understand the scriptures. It is called altered states or ecstasy. Ever heard of the whirling prophets of Yahweh? *I have heard some...
  11. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    @Giuliano @Prayer Warrior Statements made….thoughts expressed....thank you.... *The point is that the early church did not depend on "Bibles" the way current churches do. They survived somehow. *One thing that seems certain is that the early Church Fathers almost never cited any books of the...
  12. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    Context...what is going on as history moves....The ECF's only have so much access to scriptures....a large assortment of writings that are scattered. The choice of books are still in the running during the first few centuries......the Bible is not bound together as a book until Constantine. What...
  13. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    That was to both of you....typing and watching the weather.
  14. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    I am not doing the troll thing. But talk straight. You have to be fair....You say things and you know they are out of context....ECF's mostly quoted the OT...lol...what were they suppose to quote? You make it sound like they were talking about Judaism, instead of Christianity, and that is not...
  15. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    You have really missed the point. The "new covenant" states that men do not need written words of other men, that Christians have things written on their hearts. Yet you want to void that idea and make the new covenant into a book. have things written on their hearts....how about our...
  16. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    Going out on limb here. Not that all is known. I suppose there a reason that we do not have a clear description / understanding of heaven and hell. Christians have a tendency to forget about Shoal. The Jews even understood less than we do about the spiritual realm. They knew that they were...
  17. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    A lot of what you are saying is true...as usual. You brought up atheists, how many atheists have I debated that I could tell they hoped I would win. Something inside of us.... with no present calling from read the Bible with understanding in his own attitude or spirit? Now that is a...
  18. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    The problem of course is many of us too often have a mixture what we hear from God and what we hear from elsewhere. That is my point, whether you intend to agree? It is good to read God's Word...not man's. It is not a religion of men. I believe that God the Father and God the Son deserve to...
  19. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    What you are saying is true...Still, it is what it is and the real applies. Grailhunter and Amadeus are translating the scriptures...with or without wine...that is up to you. Grailhunter says, "What do say we take the name of God the Father out of the Old Testament and replace His name with Lord...
  20. Grailhunter

    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    Off the top of my head, including intentional alterations, deletions, and additions, around 30,000 changes. You can call it corruption, editing, tampering, deception....etc whatever. The Bible is what it is....a translation of the scriptures. Unfortunately a lot of fingers in the pie. On the...