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Who brings a person to faith? and what is a person believing when he comes to faith? Hebrews speaks of two mountains, mt siniah and mt Zion. Can a person be saved just by going to my zion, or should they go to both and why?

So he did not use the term osas. So why are you attributing that term to him and claiming he wrote a book about it? eternal life and security in Christ was around long before him your fighting calvinism not the word

Nope it’s having faith that saves, if you do not truly believe it will not remain in you imhave a question for you, what does it take for a person to come to faith? What must they see to believe?

Jesus told them why they walked away, John 6: But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.

Yep so true if your faith is in law you will add works of the law to grace, like circumcision, which means your faith was never in God. strike 2 on the passages you used to try to convince me

What’s truthful is you are defensive. And if you really trusted god and were secure you could not care less what I said.

And you cannot read this and see your preaching conditional life not eternal? How?

You can’t judge osas when you have no idea what it is. and yes, you judge me, stop excusing your sin

Hence we would be under law not under grace. good luck with that

Yep written to christians, work out the salvation you have, it’s like working out the good and silver you are mining to make it usefull what it does not say. work to earn your future possible salvation sorry but you again have failed to show me I am in error

As I said, you are trying t make your salvation conditional on your ability to persevere, call it whatever you want, it’s conditional salvation

So God gives us faith by his power. But we can overpower him and reject of our own power again, do you listen to yourself?

What you heard. please learn the difference no one has ever been saved because they HEARD they truth.

Again, I want to see John Calvin use the word osas. can you please show me? calvin taught irresistible grace and double predestination, apart fro. Free will.he taught that we could never come to faith anyway, it is of god, so if we could not come to it, we will never leave it. I know of very...

Yeah you keep telling me that, yet with no proof. So what you are doing is arguing what you heard or were told and not what people actually believe. it’s like the old calvin vs arminian debate. Anyone who believes In eternal security must be calvins, anyone who does not must be arminian (or...

Actually he is saying u like those who left. Let that which you HEARD remain in you he never said they accepted it in faith, like all churches and like all epistles, we do not assume everyone reading or attending our church is saved, you always assume someone might be there who has not come...

So you have the power to turn and reject what god started, to overcome God and walk away because he is not faithful. I do not think you understand what your saying my friend,

Oh I saw the truth, 40 years ago, you have not shown me anything to counter that truth, yet you still attack me as if I am lost,

The Bible tells us it is our knoweldge we have eternal life that empowers us to continue to believe, it’s on Christ, not us 1 John 5: 9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son. 10 He who believes in the...

Then it’s conditional on you having the power to keep believing and not turn against the truth that saved you in the first place. and again, if your belief was so weak you could not continue to trust in eternal life based on the cross. Was it Ever true faith to begin with? my answer is no,,