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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Agree. This is a wild exaggeration. You're always so dramatic and extreme. Anyway, I can easily disprove pre-trib using any English translation, including the KJV. So, let's just do that instead of wasting time arguing about English translations. I have to give you kudos though for being the...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Apparently, he thinks that the "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3) that will be by way of fire upon the entire earth (2 Peter 3:10-12) when the day of the Lord arrives will last an entire year. Did it take an entire year for the Lord to burn up Sodom and...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Well, all except those who were already resurrected at the 6th seal, anyway, according to you. :rolleyes: I guess all doesn't really mean all in your doctrine. How many resurrection events do you believe there will be? 1 Thess 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    As much as I believe pretrib is false doctrine, I wouldn't even dream of accusing any of them of being demon oppressed or possessed. My brother-in-law is pretrib and he's one of the most humble Christians I know. I can't imagine accusing him of being demon oppressed or possessed just because I...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You see it as a positive that I would accept the fulfillment of prophecy no matter how it was fulfilled? What do you think of me, Doug? You obviously don't know me at all. As Paul said "let God be true, but every man a liar". I accept the truth of all scripture regardless of what it means...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Because he has to. He has no way around it, but he sure tries. But, it's important for everyone to know where this heretic is coming from. Surely, if some Jehovah's Witness or Mormon was here trying to tell us the meaning of scripture, we could immediately dismiss anything they say just based on...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Absolutely. But we are talking to brick walls here. No willingness to consider anything but their pet doctrine. Which is why they so often misrepresent what we believe. Nothing but closed-mindedness from that side of the debate. They make very little effort to even understand it. So, they refute...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Oh, do we have another heretic on our hands here? Do you also deny the deity of Jesus Christ? Let's expose all the heretics here while we're at it. Anyone else here deny the deity of Jesus Christ, the Great God and Savior of the world?
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    LOL!!! When do you plan on doing ANYTHING to show how we are supposedly wrong? You do NOTHING to show that. You are apparently incapable of exegeting scripture to show how and why it teaches what you claim it does. You can't be expected to be taken seriously without exegeting any scripture. Your...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Total nonsense. I don't lie about you. You said Jesus is not deity, He is man. I'm saying that is false and a heretical teaching. Scripture says that Jesus created all things and that can only be said about God. God said His name is "I am" and Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I am". You are...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    He has none, of course. Just realize that you are dealing with someone who is very dishonest with scripture. Let me give you an example: Genesis 21:33 And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of the Lord, the everlasting God. 34 And Abraham sojourned in the...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yes, of course. I accept what scripture teaches no matter what it is, unlike some people here. But, I know that won't happen because there is so much scripture which contradicts that belief. But, you apparently don't care if your interpretation of one passage contradicts other passages.
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    LOL. You are trying to be a clown. Great is neither all, nor not all. The fact of the matter is that the word does not mean "many, but not all" but you are stubbornly refusing to acknowledge that. I gave you examples where the word was translated as "many" of something and it referred to all of...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Right. It's quite obvious which side of the debate just believes what they want to believe and which side bases their beliefs on scripture.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Doug, do you make any effort at all to understand what Amils believe? How can you say our doctrine isn't true when you don't even know what we believe? He, of course, is talking about unbelievers. None of them survive Christ's second coming just as none survived the flood in Noah's day (Matt...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Thank you for confirming once again that you do not believe Jesus is God and that you are a heretic who does not accept what is taught in the Word of God. Why accuse me of lying when I say you don't believe Jesus is God when you say "Jesus is not a deity; He is man"? That's ridiculous. He is...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What are you even talking about, Doug? Who said everyone will be dead at that point? The dead in Christ will be resurrected and they, along with those who are alive and remain, will be gathered to Christ. Very simple. You don't even need a chart to understand this.
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    LOL. You have denied that many times. Did you just now change your mind? You have denied the deity of Christ and you know it. Why are you lying about me supposedly lying? What is wrong with you? Do you believe that Jesus is God and is eternal and created all things?
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Imaginary people. He believes so many things that can't be supported by scripture. He thinks doctrine is taught in single verses with no other scripture to support it. It's really unbelievable.
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    If you can't discern that Jesus is God despite how scripture teaches that explicitly, then I'm not sure what you can discern. I'm not interesting in talking to you anymore about Christian end times doctrine. I'd rather talk to Christians about that. Thanks, anyway.