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That I can agree with, but does it say in the Bible anything about this born again spirit called "celestial"?

Yes, I believe the promises to the nation of Israel will be fulfilled, separate from Gentiles. So then you have gifts of the Spirit? Are they from 1 Corinthians 12 or Romans 12, or Mark 16? Or all three? And then those in Joel 2 also.

It seems you believe this celestial child is what takes over our mind and guides us, where I believe it is the actual Spirit of God that indwells us and changes us immediately.

It seems we are not interpreting "cessationism" the same way. Do you believe the gifts of the Spirit are for today, or that they ceased?

@marks You say, "It's not just that we have some new mental imprint or something that we are now live by." Then you say, "We are a completely different sort of being now." Those two statements the way I am understanding them seems contradictory?

In Romans 11, what does the fullness of the Gentiles come in mean? I see it then goes to saving Israel.

What is the strong delusion for? And on whom? (I will be back later)

I don't see the bema seat in 1 Cor. 3. What verses? Where in chapter 4? The martyrs are dead. This isn't about a secret rapture I agree, it is the second coming, but with the angels and the dead in Christ (1 Thes 4) not the living who were raptured 7 years prior.

There is a total difference between the time of the Gentiles, and the fullness of the Gentiles. They are unrelated. 2 Thessalonians 2 shows God putting a strong delusion on all Gentiles to follow after the Antichrist. At least, that is the way I read it. Combined with Romans 11, only Jews will...

Remember that "every nation tribe and tongue" are Gentiles. The fullness of the Gentiles has already come into the church before the GT starts. They will be martyred during the GT, but only Israel will actually be new believers and join the Church during the GT. Romans 11 and Revelation 7

I need your scripture references please for each point.

I see Christ's second coming in Revelation 19: 11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written...

What makes you say that? After the Antichrist is revealed, I see only Jews actually coming to Christ for the first time.

If there was a secret rapture, then 7 years later another rapture when Jesus comes, I think the apostles would teach both in one letter. And Jesus too in the gospels. Yes, there will be a rapture, but only one when Jesus actually comes back and every eye shall see Him.

We have always had tribulation here and there, but the "great" tribulation is world-wide.

What do you believe will happen? Revelation 20: Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him...

Amen. I believe it will be very very soon; not in another 1000 years or more. That is why I believe Hosea talks of the 1000 year Millennium being only after 2000 years, not 5000 or some other number.

Yes, 2000 years from sometime in the first century when God struck them with partial blindness. They will be unblinded shortly before the second coming when Christ will reign on earth for 1000 years.

It seems you are being condescending. Come, and let us return to the Lord; For He has torn, but He will heal us; When did Jesus need to return to the Lord? When did He reject God? Comprehension 101 is definitely speaking of the Jews.

It appears so. One such separation is aren't you a cessationist? I do not believe anything ceases inside our covenant, just as there wasn't in the old. So I believe in the gifts and that Jesus is not going to be a polygamist. He has one Bride made up of both Jews and Gentiles. I don't see any...