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LOL!!!!!!!!! In the post-trib rapture taught by the Bible, Jesus gathers FROM HEAVEN and FROM THE EARTH. Hello! Wake up! LOL!!!!! Here's the gathering from heaven: 1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with...

When did I say otherwise....Brother? Do you imagine that you're here to teach me? You have proven to me beyond the shadow of a doubt that you are very lacking in spiritual discernment and knowledge of the word of God. You have given me no reason to think that you have anything to teach me with...

Who thinks that? No one here does.

That's what I'm saying. Do they not even consider things like this? Apparently not. They don't seem too interested in things like logic, reason and common sense. Those things are too boring for them. They much prefer wild speculation and sensationalizing everything. It boggles my mind. I have...

You are making things up that aren't taught in scripture anywhere. The only parts to the day of the Lord are indicated in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:9. It is an actual coming 24 hour day and no one knows which day or which hour it will be (Matt 24:36, Matt 25:13). So, it will come unexpectedly like...

You need to read those verses more carefully. It's not talking about literal fine linen there. The fine linen symbolically represents "the righteousness of saints". So, there is no indication that they have bodies. There is no indication there that they have already been resurrected and...

This does not say that the marriage supper takes place in heaven. What this indicates is that Christ's wife/bride will have made herself ready for the marriage at this point. It won't have taken place yet. And it doesn't say where it will take place. The part of the bride of Christ that this is...

Jesus said this: Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven...

I can't take this seriously. It says "AFTER the tribulation of those days" and then you say "the great tribulation is almost over". The word AFTER doesn't mean "almost over". Good grief. I'm not wasting my time reading this nonsense. I have better things to do.

You're either arrogant or very naive. You understand that you have some unique beliefs all to yourself, right? Do you really believe that God reveals things only to you? Why would He do that? What would make you so special for Him to do that just for you?

You asked me "Do you actually have no perception of what a scripture context is?". I showed how ridiculous it is for you, of all people, to ask me that. You are the one who got off topic by questioning my ability to know what scripture context is and I responded by showing you that you are being...

Did you miss this verse: Revelation 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. After this verse the new Jerusalem is described. So, this...

Can you please address what I said in my post instead of telling me for the thousandth time how you interpret these passages as if I didn't already know? Can you acknowledge that people like me and WPM do NOT teach that believers will experience God's wrath instead of making that false claim...

Yes, I do. Do you? It appears not. How can someone claim to understand context when they have the ludicrous notion that Revelation 20 has something to do with Christ reigning for a literal thousand years even before His resurrection? No one who has a ridiculous interpretation like that should...

I know what he believes far better than you do (since we agree on almost everything end times related), so you should not try to talk for him. He does not have the church going through God's wrath that Paul references in 1 Thess 5:9, which is described in 1 Thess 5:2-3. He, like me, sees 1 Thess...

I definitely don't believe that the church ever ends, so you're right about that. Scripture never teaches such an utterly nonsensical thing as that. I disagree. The Greek does not say that the wedding takes place in heaven. The Greek indicates that the time for the wedding will have come at...

Right. And this just reminded me of a question that I have sometimes asked pretribs, which is where is the scripture that describes all of the extreme chaos and destruction that would result from millions of people disappearing throughout the world? There is no such description, of course. But...

Agree. I'm concerned about the mindset that the false pretrib doctrine can promote and that is why I passionately argue against it. It can lead people to be afraid of persecution and tribulation. But, if they are living godly lives then they should expect persecution and tribulation in their...

Exactly! The entire foundation of their doctrine is built upon adding things to parables that are not mentioned in the parables and have nothing to do with what is being taught in the parables. And it is also built on wild speculations made in relation to what is undeniably one of the most...

Some of the bride is there, not all. Do you not believe that the souls of the dead in Christ are in heaven now? Nonsense. You are making scripture say what you want it to say. There is no indication there that the wedding takes place in heaven. You pretending to be a Greek expert is not...