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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    No, but you definitely do. A very serious one. Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. I was referring to this verse specifically which your serious reading comprehension problem...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    LOL. Are you serious? He obviously is not pre-trib since he created this thread with the title: "The absurdity of pretrib logic". So, what else could he be if not post-trib? Did you think he was mid-trib? If you actually read his posts, it's very obvious that he is post-trib, so I don't know how...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You are trying to make scripture say what you want it to say again. There is no basis whatsoever for thinking that the day that the sign of the Son of man in heaven occurs is not the same 24 hour day that everyone will see Him coming in the clouds of heaven with His angels. Matthew 24:30 And...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I disagree. Why would you not think that the rapture is described here: Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yep. I believe that is talking about the day Jesus returns when we will be caught up to Him in the air "for a little moment" while He takes vengeance on His enemies. 2 Thess 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What evidence do you have to back this up? I'm sorry, but nothing you said here makes any sense to me. The rapture (being caught up to Christ) is not mentioned anywhere in Daniel, so I would say this is not something we can do. I don't know what you're trying to say here. It seems like you're...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Euphrates drying up, what will happen? However the order of the bowl judgements seems not to fit in our understanding

    What I didn't mention in that post is that while those entities are symbolic, I don't believe they symbolically represent earthly entities. It might be better for me to say that I see those as being spiritual entities. I believe they represent spiritual entities that are given names of earthly...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Who, or what, is the dreaded bogey man of prophecy?

    Where do you get this from? When someone dies, certainly they are silent on earth until the resurrection because they are no longer living on the earth, but that doesn't mean they are silent where their souls and spirits go. Whichever verse you are getting that from, are you sure you're...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Who, or what, is the dreaded bogey man of prophecy?

    It's not a parable no matter how much you want it to be. Parables do not mention the names of real people. Do you deny the existence of separate places called heaven/paradise and hell/hades where the spirits of physically/bodily dead people go? They are referred to as literal places repeatedly...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Who, or what, is the dreaded bogey man of prophecy?

    Luke 16:19-31 is not a parable. You clearly don't even know what a parable is if you think that is a parable. Name a parable that most would agree is a parable which uses the names of real people and real places in it like that passage does. You can't do it. Because that isn't how parables work...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    If their understanding of Revelation was correct then it would be true that things would not be going on as normal in the world before Christ returns. But, of course, their understanding of Revelation is not correct because it doesn't line up with the rest of scripture. If they would actually...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    LOL. Why do you say that? What a ridiculous comment. I do not believe the church will experience God's wrath and neither do other post-tribbers here. Do you think lying is the right way to go about supporting your view? You are a liar. Who do you think is going to take you seriously when you...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Where do you see anything within Luke 17:26-37 about those who are left being "left to face further persecution."? The text clearly indicates that they will be killed. Why can't you acknowledge this? One more time I will post the passage and put in bold the parts which relate to those who are...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Why It Will Be Satan Himself As the Coming False Messiah on Earth

    Oh, so I guess you're an amillennialist then since you believe Satan is currently bound in the bottomless pit and will ascend from it at a later time? Scripture says that Satan will be loosed from the bottomless pit when the thousand years are over (Rev 20:3,7).
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    Show me where that is indicated in this passage: 1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    All that means is that what John called "the last time" (1 John 2:18) and Peter called "the last days" (Acts 2:16) had already begun back then. The reason they called it "the last time" and "the last days" was because they knew that the New Testament time period would be the last time period in...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    LOL. Of course not. Are you aware that I'm an amillennialist? I'm pretty sure I've indicated that to you before, but I don't know if you recall that or not. So, what I believe will happen at His return is that we will be caught up to Him in the air and then He will proceed to take "vengeance on...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    That is your entire takeaway from Luke 17:26-37? Really? I'm surprised that you apparently do not believe that there references to one being taken and one left has to do with one being taken up to meet Christ and one left behind. From what you said here, you apparently believe that one being...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    He has shared more details about what he believes than anyone on this entire forum, so I think you're kind of nitpicking here. You can always ask for clarification if you're not sure what he's saying. Yeah, for sure. The time period Paul wrote about and that I believe Jesus alluded to in...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yep. But, again, each verse has a different context which you fail to recognize. Matthew 24:15-21 is talking about tribulation in the form of God's wrath against unbelieving Jews that involves the destruction of the temple buildings standing at that time whereas Daniel 12:1 should be understood...