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This thread contends there are proof of such verses that show He was and is God. No such proof has been presented. What’s been presented is imposing trinitarian doctrine onto unitarian text. See above for the purpose of this thread.

Agreed. For the last decade, I have taken a deep dive into cultural influence upon human thought. This is akin to ‘tradition.’ The Christian culture in America has been under attack since the Sexual Revolution of the ‘60’s. And technology has aided in abrupt cultural changes as well. So that...

Jews also added 100’s of laws in their ‘tradition.’ This, coupled with RCC & EOC ‘tradition’ show the human pattern over and over again to presume equality with God. The Original Sin remains alive in the fleshy part of our nature. This is why it is always prudent to return to First...

Crickets ... Crickets ... Crickets.

I’m sorry. I got distracted when U wrote this. I meant to type: False Alternative. Jesus was a man. There is only one type of flesh nature.

False Alternative. Where do you get the idea that a non-servant must be God? As this thread goes on, the desperate illogical claims get worse and worse of advocates of the man is God thesis.

LOL Sad and desperate assertion that a verse that does not even have Jesus in it is evidence of Jesus’ nature.

True of all first born children - until other children are begotten. Begotten is proof Jesus is, like us, a created being.

That’s not what Isaiah 52 & 53 say. Nor is it what Jesus says. Jesus said he did not come to be served but to serve. Jesus also said God is greater than he, knows more than he, sent him, told him what to say, raised him from the dead and gave him revelation. All of which prove Jesus is not God.

Not an answer to my question, showing how weak your position is.

Because you make unfounded assertions. Why do you except Jesus? Just assert it.

Why is the standard not simply more likely than not? You have not proved beyond ALL DOUBT your position. LOL

Proving trinitarianism cannot hold up to scrutiny. A most important question is just ignored.

All prophets speak for God. Doesn’t make them God.

Can you grasp that ‘taking the form of X, necessarily means one is not X?

Not possible since the trinity is not in the Bible. Just what verse do you claim is the preincarnate Jesus speaking in any capacity? Also, what is the significance of using form of the word God?

And only the Father is God.

Not an answer to my question.

I must have miscommunicated. There are many lords and Jesus is my lord. He is just not the LORD God almighty.

False Alternative. Jesus was a man. There is only one God of flesh nature.