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The great tribulation that occurs before Christ's return is global and what is described in Matthew 24:15-21 is not global (let them in Judea flee, not everyone in the world). You have no way around that. The global tribulation that will occur before His return is described here: Matthew 24:9...

You do know that WPM does not believe in pre-trib, right? You both agree that one will be gathered to Christ and the other will be killed at that time regardless of your understanding of being taken and being left. And, talk about conjecture. It does not say "Where will they be taken, Lord?"...

Again, I think your view is viable. I'm going to keep thinking about it to see if I can take a firm stance on this one way or another. But, like I said, I think the main takeaway is that it's talking about something that happened in 70 AD and therefore the prince had to be alive in 70 AD (which...

You're wasting your time with him. ;) But, seriously, great post. Which he will not understand at all because he looks at everything through the pre-trib lens that he has been taught.

Ah, yes. You are so special that God decided to reveal the truth about these things only to you. Good grief. Could you possibly be more arrogant than to think that way? That is an obvious lie. It's all you have to offer. You are a joke. I'm done with you.

LOL. Now a future hour when all of the dead would be raised turns into at least 2,000 years. This can't be taken seriously. You will obviously do anything to twist scripture to make it say what you want it to say, which is very dishonest. I'm not wasting any more time looking at your nonsense.

Very true. I can't deny that. I need to stop wasting my time with someone like that who is completely unreasonable and only goes by what his teachers tell him without being like the Bereans and studying it for himself. In one response he made to me, he told me he wasn't sure how to answer my...

Total nonsense. With a pre-trib rapture, what are you watching for since you don't believe anything has to happen first before the rapture? Those who believe in a post-trib rapture, on the other hand, are watching for signs to indicate that His coming is near and we are watching out that we are...

Those things don't describe the same event as Matthew 24:15-21, which is only a local event. You are talking about things that happen globally. And, let me clue you in on something. If you're going to say that persecution, famines, wars, and so on are "The Great Tribulation" then it has been...

I already told you in this post: The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture It is not. That is utterly ridiculous and not taught in scripture. Matthew 24 shows what happens to those who don't watch. They end up in the place where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. The lake...

I deny that a parousia happened in 70 AD and it causes no problems in scripture whatsoever. Any mention of a future parousia of Christ in scripture refers to a parousia that has still not yet happened. There is one future parousia of Christ and there was no parousia of Christ in 70 AD.

I don't understand the way you're thinking here. As of the time the prophecy was given, Messiah the prince was yet to come, right? So, verse 26 could be referring back to the prince that was yet to come, which was the Messiah. That's perfectly viable. But, you are going out of your way to say...

Looks like that translation is more of an interpretation of scripture rather than a translation. Adding the word "other" in front of prince in verse 26 is obviously an interpretation rather than a translation since the word "other" is not in the original manuscript. Just my two cents on that...

I don't see this as a major point of contention because it should be clear either way that it's talking about the destruction of Jerusalem and the second temple in 70 AD since Jesus referred to Daniel's prophecy in Matthew 24:15-22 (Mark 13:14-20, Luke 21:20-24) in relation to the destruction of...

I find that to be a viable interpretation and I also find covenantee's view to be viable. I also believe seeing it as referring to Jesus and "the people" as the Jews is viable in the sense that it was because of the Jews having rejected Him that their city and sanctuary was destroyed. They...

Revelation 19:7 Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. Where do you get your beliefs from? Judaism? Who does scripture say is the bride of Christ? Israel? Or the church? Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves...

That's obviously a reference to the ones Paul calls "the dead in Christ" in verse 16. You have them rising already before Jesus brings them with Him from heaven even though it says they rise first after He descends from heaven. In verse 16 it's talking about them bodily rising from the dead, not...

Except that I'm not. You're being foolish by accusing me of that. LOL. Get over yourself. You make me laugh.

You are sadly mistaken. Do you understand that it will be the church, the bride of Christ, that will be caught up in the rapture? So, therefore, what you are saying is that you think people have to believe in a pre-trib rapture to be part of the church! Are you kidding me? That is complete...

Notice I said that is a POTENTIAL problem with believing in a pre-trib rapture. Doesn't mean that will be the case for everyone who believes in it. Understand? Yes, I can and I did. I believe I have. I believe I have. Yes, of course. Why would it be evil to be mistaken about a doctrine that...