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Interesting; doesn't specify contraception or the whys and wherefores of condoms, but I guess applications can be privately made.

Eve's sandwich

Eve from Everton ever elucidates equivocation.

@Sabertooth In some families it seems like it's become a traditional - strictly optional - parental gift for their 18 year olds. (For both genders.) Not that the 18 year old is expected to do it. But more accurately that the 18 year old expects to do it (this is definitely not splitting...

@Josho It's pretty widespread, of course. It's how the medium is used that really counts.

I guess some ppl might see them as superficially similar, though I see what you mean.

@Sabertooth I agree. Really I would not give young Christians at 18 a hard time at all, especially if they earnestly and innocently purposed after a lot of new adult conviction that they really wanted to express faith in this very widely used medium. Time and again, it has proven a...

@Sabertooth Some weeks ago you said: I'm sure a lot of Christian 18 years olds, coming of age, purpose to do it very carefully and then get appointments to have it done pretty innocently, often in faith related designs that they are very earnest about.

Great verse there; the Cross, Biblically understood, can only offend the world and the flesh.

@Josho Yes, I was just listening and Nita Strauss is indeed brilliant at the electric guitar. Superficially it might be 'modern' in its presentation but really her playing is very tuneful and in a sense a sort of updated form of Bach counterpoint on a pipe organ, played on the electric guitar. I...

So I guess you would find IUDs problematic. I guess I can see why some ppl who do find IUDs problematic, wouldn't find condoms to be so.

I was really referring to events outside IUD use. Just because an initial fertilization happens, it does not necessarily mean that a firm implantation will occur; all to the oblivion of the couple, of course; and a development such as an unknown failure to implant on the part of an unknown...

@Sabertooth Even without contraception, the proportion of eggs that are fertilized compared with those that actually go on to become fetuses is considerably greater, although most cease to become implanted in the womb tissue; and the fact that something happens naturally to stop this occurring...

@Josho I'll have to find Nita Strauss on Youtube...

@Sabertooth I can see that condoms would be regarded by not a few Christians as among the more straightforward devices; there are varieties of these, of course. (Of course I wasn't suggesting you were imposing anything; mine was a general statement, really.)

I do in any case think it's not the role of local churches today to try implement so called "policy" on condoms to married congregants by appeals to a totally different Old Testament age.

@ Josho; yes, I thought it was quite relevant to this one I started as well. I don't find 'Disciple's hard hitting lyrics in hard rock 'extreme', do you? They do communicate strongly.

@Josho On the other thread you mentioned 'extreme' sound; I don't myself find Disciple 'extreme', do you? especially since the track I uploaded has effective, hard hitting Biblical lyrics.